3d Max Modelling Tips

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I will be starting this modelling thread... lagay ko mga modelling tips. And kung may mga request kayo, post nyo lang here. so stay tune lang here

Uy, maraming salamat sa feedback ser v_wrangler
Swak angmga tips mo ser.

yup agree with sir roy.. mas okey pa den na i chamfer talga sya kay sa vray edge texture pag malapit ang camera masyadong obvious.. na fake

sir onel sana makapag post din tau ng mga tutorials on modeling a house/building. e.g two storey house... how to do it simple and fast... kasi ako nasanay ako s autocad ko i-model then link lang s max... parang nagiging taga render ko n lang ang max thru vray.... hope to see more tutorials here on modeling TIA

Stryker wrote:sir onel sana makapag post din tau ng mga tutorials on modeling a house/building. e.g two storey house... how to do it simple and fast... kasi ako nasanay ako s autocad ko i-model then link lang s max... parang nagiging taga render ko n lang ang max thru vray.... hope to see more tutorials here on modeling TIA

Meron tayo nyan dito bro. ito ang link.
http://www.cgpinoy.org/3d-studio-max-tutorials-f46/interior-and-exterior-complete-t52.htm

Saka wag mo rin maliitin ang power ng cad. actually kong madevelop nila ang vray for cad, baka hindi mo na kailanganin ang max. prang SU+Vray din.

hi sir ronel, thanks sa thread na'to laking tulong to sa amin na bagohan
request ko po pano gamitin ang unit setup
at ano po ang importance nito interms of modeling, does affect the size of file?

Salamat din po ky sir v_wrangler, for sharing his experience and advice.

sir boks nde naman s minamaliit ko ung power ng cad.... napakapowerful ng cad.. 2d and 3d. gusto ko lang matuto ng ibat ibang techniques ng modeling s max... architectural modeling ba. kasi minsan parang nagkakaron ng eror s max cause by modeling s cad... correct me if im wrong... nakita ko n ung tuts na yan sir... gusto ko lang din makakuha ng mga techniques ng mga master natin dito on how they do it fast and good modeling... im amazed of some masters here doing some superb output in just an ample of time given... kaya natuwa ako ng gumawa ng ganitong thread si sir onel... and anjan din si sir vertex to advice more for the newbies.... anyways sir hope na maexplore pa natin tong modeling thread na to.. nde lang naman siguro ako magbebenefit dito... ung iba din...
and hope madevelop nga din ung vray for cad... thanks for some advices sir... haba na neto hehehe

Santiago3 wrote:If I may add my .2 cents doon sa corner/edge smoothing.

In case lang you are using Mental Ray as your renderer... If not, you can ignore this post

Merong feature ang Arch+Viz material ng MR to mimmic the looks of chamfered corners.
It is called "Rounded Corners". It is just a rendering trick to simulate the looks of chamfered corners, like the example above.
Minsan kasi, kung hindi malapit ang objects sa camera, we dont really have to "invest" on more polygons for this purpose. It means magaan sa rendering.

thanks for sharing. i made it possible sa material composition tips, but for the sake of others, lagay ko na rin

The Shapemerge Tools

ShapeMerge creates a compound object consisting of a mesh object and one or more shapes. The shapes are either embedded in the mesh, altering the edge and face patterns, or subtracted from the mesh.
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Procedures
1. Create a mesh object and one or more shapes
2. Align the shapes in the viewport so they can be projected toward the surface of the mesh object.
3. Select the mesh object, and click the ShapeMerge button.
4. Click Pick Shape, and then select the shape.
The geometry of the surface of the mesh object is altered to embed a pattern matching that of the selected shape.

ShapeMerge Samples
Supposed I want to put a relics design on these wineglass


-First i created a foliage design out of spline

-Select the glass model, then go to Compound Objects and press Shapemerge, then press on pick shape and pick the foliage design on my viewport. The design will now mark on the glass model.


-Now to see and isolate the imprinted design on the glass, select the model and convert it to poly or mesh, then select polygon. it will automatically highlight the design.


-Then extrude


-Rendered Image


Another Shapemerge Samples - Irregular Shape Swimming Pool

-Supposed you want to model a swimming pool, Shapemerge tools comes handy on this.
A plane model


-A swimming Pool Irregular Shape just a spline


- Move the slpine up a bit then use shapemerge tools


- convert it to poly, polygon select


-Extrude it up ( for Pool border tiles thickness)


-Then inset ( border tiles width)


-Then extrude it down ( pool depth)


-While still selected, press SHIFT and drag it up ( for pool water)


-Chamfered the edges, accessorized. In about 5 minutes you will now have this swimming pool

sir....meron kana ba napost ng tutorial about table cloth? ung simple at madaling masundan

Since I am a sucker for clean meshes and edge loops - I do not advice the use of shapemerge because it produce random edges which makes your mesh ugly and difficult to modify. If all you need is to match the contours of a base object to another like that of the tire example;

Use conform
Or do not model at all, use a simple surface and use opacity maps.

Some people think that a good modeler should be able to come up with a single mesh, wrong. You'll get more praises from animators if you are able to create models whose polygons can stand any form of distortion. Which means, less or no triads but four sided polygons.

Why four sided polyss you ask - that's because they deform well specially if subdivided using smoothing algorithms like meshsmooth or turbosmooth.

sir render master salamat sa "TIPS", this will be of great help para sa aming architectural visualizers..

sir V. salamat din po sa info,,, ill also try , conform and make use of opacity map, sa material!!!! Godbless!!

ito lng po akin sir pano.....ng detail roof corrugated....?

salamat pohh.....

wow.. katuwa naman mga sharing of info dito. very helpful! im just new to 3d also, now, just starting to study vray. basa basa muna.. anyway-

To render master:

sir- request ko sana if you have time to post:
Since madalas ko maexperience at expected narin talaga ang revisions sa projects lalo na pag ang bosing ay pabago-bago isip! grrr.. hehe(joke lang mga boss) -
sample ka naman ng fast possible "techniques in revision modelling" but NOT through "boolean process" ..for example -an existing window opening to be revised into something like a different type of windows, perhaps a door or back to solid wall.. or biglang naextend na part ng structure.. or maybe existing roof na tapos biglang pinagawan ng attic with dormer window, etc.. so biglang nabago ung roof.. anyway- i know you get what i mean. any scenario that obviously makikita ang revision. kayo napo ang bahala..
pero kung pwede po, wag boolean.. medyo hindi ako amazed sa pag-gamit ng boolean. yun na lang sa technique na parang ginagawa nyo sa edit poly or merge shapes, etc.. inside those environment. sorry po kung demanding.. i think these might be very practical tut esp sa type ng work natin.

thanks a lot!!

master pagclick ko poh sa chamfer walang segments na lumalabas kng san m ilalagay ung desired no. of segments .. panu poh un sir .... icon2figure muna poh ba bago poh lumabas o di po ba dahil sa version ng 3dmax? gamit ko poh 3dmax 9, patulong poh di ko po makuha ung chamfer tool talga.
thnks in advance godspeed.


marami pong salamat sa mga tuts ninyo poh dito master

darrelljay wrote:master pagclick ko poh sa chamfer walang segments na lumalabas kng san m ilalagay ung desired no. of segments .. panu poh un sir .... icon2figure muna poh ba bago poh lumabas o di po ba dahil sa version ng 3dmax? gamit ko poh 3dmax 9, patulong poh di ko po makuha ung chamfer tool talga.
thnks in advance godspeed.
marami pong salamat sa mga tuts ninyo poh dito master

i guess na ka mesh ang object mo.. try to convert it to poly then proceed sa chamfering procedures.

naconvert ko na poh sa editable poly ganun parin po xa master...

ewan ko ba kng bakit ayaw lumabas ung segments ung chamfer amount lang poh at ung pong open...anyway poh sir thnks ulit sa comment.

godspeed

darrelljay wrote:master pagclick ko poh sa chamfer walang segments na lumalabas kng san m ilalagay ung desired no. of segments .. panu poh un sir .... icon2figure muna poh ba bago poh lumabas o di po ba dahil sa version ng 3dmax? gamit ko poh 3dmax 9, patulong poh di ko po makuha ung chamfer tool talga.
thnks in advance godspeed.
marami pong salamat sa mga tuts ninyo poh dito master

bro i think wala talagang feature na segments ung chamfer tool ng 3dsmax version 9. added feature yan sa 3dsmax 2008 onwards...

maraming salamt po master kietsmark try poh ako version 2009

godspeed poh

onzki wrote:
Since madalas ko maexperience at expected narin talaga ang revisions sa projects lalo na pag ang bosing ay pabago-bago isip! grrr.. hehe(joke lang mga boss) -
sample ka naman ng fast possible "techniques in revision modelling" but NOT through "boolean process" ..for example -an existing window opening to be revised into something like a different type of windows, perhaps a door or back to solid wall.. or biglang naextend na part ng structure.. or maybe existing roof na tapos biglang pinagawan ng attic with dormer window, etc.. so biglang nabago ung roof.. anyway- i know you get what i mean. any scenario that obviously makikita ang revision. kayo napo ang bahala..
pero kung pwede po, wag boolean.. medyo hindi ako amazed sa pag-gamit ng boolean. yun na lang sa technique na parang ginagawa nyo sa edit poly or merge shapes, etc.. inside those environment. sorry po kung demanding.. i think these might be very practical tut esp sa type ng work natin.

That's the beauty of 3dsmax modifier stack. You can always save the history of the modifier stack and come back to any of the modifiers at will.

There is no foolproof way to do what you expect because no one can tell at what point the range of modifications your boss might require you to do. What I could suggest is to learn to maintain the modifiers in the stack and collapse them only when you are sure that the mesh is already final. Personally, I do not collapse modifiers and instead save a collapsed version of the object for use in animation or rendering.

Whenever you make major edits to the object, always use an edit mesh or edit poly modifier and do the modifications there. Rename the modifier to something that would remind you what the action was about. Do not be afraid to add more mesh edit modifiers on top of another for any major topology modifications. 3dsmax was actually designed to handle multiple modifiers so have fun using them.

Doing this, you can always come back to a previous modifier that would return your object to its previous state. From here, you can make adjustments if your boss require you without starting from the very beginning.

The secret to efficient modeling is not technique really but being able to move from one state to another. Naming　your modifiers and stacking them usefully is one. Using the HOLD feature is another.

When modeling objects, try to analyze the shape first and see if the form can be achieved by shapes and extrusion. This is particularly useful for enclosed walls with or without openings. Again, the beauty of extrusion is that you can always modify the spline shape later on by adding an edit spline yet maintaiing the parameters of the extrude modifier.

As for the person who asked about corrugated roofing. I bet it is a simple shape so rather than spoon feed you, I suggest learning about shapes and extrusion. And do the tutorials - I cannot stress how important that part is. You do not know what you're missing.

to v_wrangler:

Sir- Thank you, napakagandang insight ung nabanggit nyo. ok, ill keep that in mind. so para palang mga layers ng photoshop ung modifier stack (not exactly/technically the same) pero pwede maoverride ung model depende sa heirarchy or position ng modifiers.. ill try to learn and explore more about this modifier stack. thanks again for your sound and informative reply! solve ako dyan:) more power po sa inyo!

tnx so much sir,,, ngawa ko na,,, hehehe.. try ko naman fountain,, panu ba un?? hehehe. any suggestions sir?

sir v:
tnx much for d tips/workflow process u r sharing, very informative... keep it up sir...

archie.l wrote:tnx so much sir,,, ngawa ko na,,, hehehe.. try ko naman fountain,, panu ba un?? hehehe. any suggestions sir?

see this one sir
>>> WATER FOUNTAIN TUTORIAL<<<

tnx po sir ng marami,,, laking tulong to

archie.l wrote:tnx po sir ng marami,,, laking tulong to

no problem, explore mo lang....some experimenting will do