32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS???

First topic message reminder :

"tip po sa USA 64bit na lumalabas na bagong laptop and then mura pa, baka lang po meron kayong kilala although pwede din namang mag-order for shipment. Kapag 64-bit po ang gamit nyo wag po kayong mag-iinstall ng 64-bit na max kase gagamitin nya ung resources nyo di na kayo makakapag-multi task, 32 bit lang ganun din po kapag PC ang gamit nyo(by experience)."

---this statement was made hereabouts; I'm thinking its a bit "misleading". As one friend said; "why would I get a 64bit OS if not for its resources?"...
---but then the benefit of a doubt must be given; what's the general consensus on this?...

errrr... is this the right place to post this?...

nice discussion mga sir,, me natutunan na naman ako,, hehehe

hope clear na ang discussions natin dito. I understand galaistes07's point. kaso irrelevant sa topic, since gusto nyang magremain ang 32 bit users to it kasi kakayanin naman which in fact, may limit talaga. So I guess, clear na ang discussions natin dito at I think may nakuha din tayong kay galaites07

But, Clouds' question is still floating in the clouds. wala pa din yatang consensus. So continue lang natin ang discussion.

Please don't take galaistes07's comments in a bad way, kasi nagiging clear din ang lahat after so many replies.

Thanks sa mga sumali sa discussion na to. Kailangan pa natin siguro ituloy. We need to hear more comments.

tama sir boks, more info. pa

yeap were all watching this thread since,., technically medyo mababaw pa pagkakintindi ko rin dito..

para po sa karagdagang kaalaman ... kindly check this forum..

http://www.the-area.com/forum/autodesk-3ds-max/installation---hardware---os/32-bit-3ds-max-on-64-bit-system/
http://boardreader.com/thread/Technical_problem_with_3ds_max_32bit_and_ah7mXdvre.html
http://forums.cgarchitect.com/24720-what-difference-between-32-bit-64-bit-max.html

well master galaites has failed to defend his theory... his answers/explanations is deprived of logic...
proxy is a different story, and not part of the logic at all...
master edosayla's technical and logical explanations has cleared a lot of things...

misleading nga yung suggestion/theory ni sir galaites... (until ma-prove nya, but i think he won't be able to do it)

Try ko din sana to
Anyway thanks to master cloud for bringing this topic here...

Hi Guys, we can't blame people if they want to stick with 32 bit max in 64 bit OS, sooner or later if they have a big project no matter how much scene optimization, vray proxy is used your 3dmax 32 bit OS will crash when it reaches its ram limit.

So for people planning to setup new cpu or wanting to upgrade, go 64 bit OS, and 64 bit max. it does not cost a lot more.

Always look forward and invest for the long term. You never know a big project comes along. Mahirap na mag crash pag deadline. It will be costly you dont have all 64 bit setup in advance

edosayla wrote:@Galaites07 : Mawalang galang lang po sir .. ibig sabihin sir hindi mo naunawaan kung papano gumagana ang memory ng computer? gusto mo talaga makita na ginagamit ang buong memory mo ng max? hindi mo ba na consider ang OS mo at ang ibang services nito na gumagamit din ng memory mo? pag full usage na ang pinag sasabi mo automatic mag crash ang windows mo at hindi gusto ng windows ng ganun kaya nga meron syang cache files e incase namaubos ng isang application e papasok nya dun sa temporary memory nya which is yung cache ..... at paano na punta ang usapan sa proxy? at akala ko pa naman mag post ka ng million of polygons using your 32 bit max on a 64bit machine . tapos sasabihin mo na honestly marunong ba kayo mag gamit ng proxy? tanong kaya natin si sir ronel about that ..tapos ang gamit mo pang scene ay nakuha sa evermotion exterior ... at isa pa kakabili mo panga lang ng 64bit na OS tas akala mo naka gamit na since nag start ang 64bit na OS .. sir hindi na namin kailangan pa mag pa honest about sa proxies kasi alam din namin gumamit ng ganun.

Sir wala kaseng bintangan birada mo kase gamit kong scene download exterior scene, oo download ko ung trees, galing kay canadium ung house, gawa ko ung scene, di mo ba naisip na pinag hirapan kong buuin un scene(para sa tanong ni si bokkins) tapos sasahin mo download ung scene. Sabay hirit mo ulit kakabili ko lang ng 64 bit OS. (Mudon is 2008, ginamit ko since then). Isipin mo muna ung sinasabi mo walang personalan. Technical at about the tapic lang, hindi naman kita tinira ng diretso ah.

sa tingin ko lang sa 32 bit max / 32bit OS kahit almost full ram na ung reading sa rendering di pa sya mag- ka crash kase gumagamit ang system ng Virtual Ram.

Sabi ko 32 bit/ 32 bit muna. Gusto mo ba makakita ng 32 bit sa 64 bit OS?

edosayla wrote:Sir healthy po ang usapan at don't be upset coz its for everyone naman dba just want to clarify regarding sa point mo at we try to make things clear para sa lahat at kung ganun ang pag intendi mo regarding sa mga critics natural lng po yan na kailangan meron mag oppose kung sa tingin ng isang tao may kunting mali "yan ang thread" hindi lahat tama ,meron din mali like sa mga thread ko minsan mali din but accept ko po yan.. the topic is all about 32bit max on 64bit OS at dito natin malalaman kung ano talaga ang mas maganda .. at sana clear mo din ang mga sinasabi mo .. earlier you've said you render a city tapos sasabihin mo na baguhan ka lng , tapos sabi mo naka pag try kana ng 64bit .. tapos meron ka namang cnabi na kabibili mo lng ... please be professional .. i don't think na ma resolve ang problem pag ganito ... hope clear sa lahat. kung sa tingin mo na upset kita apology po. just want to help lng naman.

Ok sir expert na ako. 2008 gamit ko na ung 64 bit OS 2.2Ghz 8gig RAM palang sya noon (MJU) that time mahirap mag 64 bit max kase wala pang vray crack na download for 64 bit installer, medyo tanga tanga pa kami noon kase walng makapagsabi kong paano i-install ung vray sa 64 bit. Since then hawak ko lang sa office 32bit max sa 64 bit OS. Since then un na ang gamit ko.

2009 64 bit OS 2.5Ghz 8gig RAM konting increase lang sa processor (sa bagong office iyon di sa akin,Wala na ko sa MJU). Meron akong nakainstall na 32 bit max sa machine ko ganun din ung 64 bit max. Hears what happen, since I was good at using 32 bit max earlier scene na gawa ko binuksan ko sa 64 bit max ang tagal mag-render di pa gumagalaw naka open na mga explorer, Auto cad lang ang gumagana. So I realize na walang sense ung 64 bit max which it is supposed to be dapat mas malakas kaysa sa 32 bit. Un lang naman ang sa akin. Kaya sa thread ko sabi ko sa isang member un ang gamitin. Its my advise kase expert na ako sa paggamit ng 32 bit max sa 64 bit OS.

Chi-na challenge ko lang kayo na i-prove na mas maganda ung 64bit max sa 64 OS. Kase tatapatan ko ung render nyo gamit ung 32bit max. kaya lang wala namang makapag-sabi. Wala rin proof pa until now.

bokkins wrote:hope clear na ang discussions natin dito. I understand galaistes07's point. kaso irrelevant sa topic, since gusto nyang magremain ang 32 bit users to it kasi kakayanin naman which in fact, may limit talaga. So I guess, clear na ang discussions natin dito at I think may nakuha din tayong kay galaites07

But, Clouds' question is still floating in the clouds. wala pa din yatang consensus. So continue lang natin ang discussion.

Please don't take galaistes07's comments in a bad way, kasi nagiging clear din ang lahat after so many replies.

Thanks sa mga sumali sa discussion na to. Kailangan pa natin siguro ituloy. We need to hear more comments.

sir may relevance sya sa 32 bit 64 bitOS. kase ano pa kaya kaya mong gawin gamit ung 32 bit max sa 64 bit OS, only using less RAM. Kung bibili po kayo ng ram for 64 bit konti lang muna.

silvercrown wrote:well master galaites has failed to defend his theory... his answers/explanations is deprived of logic...
proxy is a different story, and not part of the logic at all...
master edosayla's technical and logical explanations has cleared a lot of things...

misleading nga yung suggestion/theory ni sir galaites... (until ma-prove nya, but i think he won't be able to do it)

Try ko din sana to
Anyway thanks to master cloud for bringing this topic here...

How can you say I failed wala pa namang nag-post na ginamit ung maximum potential ng 64 bit max (dahil tatapatan ko ng render using 32 bit max) Please dont say such yet! Kahit theory palang naman about 32 bit max sa 64 bit OS ung sa akin.

-Rangula says smooth ang galaw sa viewport ng 32 bit
-Archithektura sa pwede ding mag render ng million poly using 32 bit
-Archimund says kailangan i-exit lahat ng naka open na program (same as my situation)

Please dont say that I failed.

@ edosayla, pasensya na sir kung ano mang attitude meron ako. By my experience 32bit max 64OS still works until now sa work.

wala akong personal 64bit OS/64 max machine. Laptop lang.

I dont need to prove to you that 32bit is better than 64 bit. I will take resposibilty for my own unsolicited advice to someone (one person only) if you take my advice without me knowing you can complain here and I will help in the best way I can).

Thats me saying Im not misleading anyone coz I have two year experience of using 32bit max 64 bitOS.

All the best.

ayus...nice move Galaites07..Humility is one key to success..

you were saying 2008 pa ang gamit mo ng 64bit bro. or kahit 2009 man, recently lang kasi naging stable ang max+vray after sp4. kaya medyo off ang comparison mo between 32 ang 64.

say ok nga ang 32bit which I also am using, nakakaexperience ako ng pagcrash. how could it be ok lang na gumamit ng 32bit eh nagcrash na nga. I can only imagine using 64bit as my best solution.

kaya mo lang siguro talaga sinasabi yan kasi tinatamad ka magupgrade or sanay ka na sa 32 bit lang. so again, medyo hindi nga talagang magtutugma sa discussion on why you should use 64 on 64. kaya either 32 on 32 or 32 on 64 ka pa rin.

si edosayla naman at hotrod are explaining the best deals you will get by using 64bit software on a 64bit os. Ito are by experience nilang iniexplain, best way cguro is to absorb the idea. and maybe try it when able.

Sa lahat ng naging discussions natin, no harm should be taken, kasi lahat tayo natututo from this. Sana ok na ito at ituloy nalang ang pagdiscuss kasi madami pa kaming gustong matutunan.

@galaites07: advise ko is why not try 64 on 64 again, baka magbago na ang isip mo. that way, macocompare na natin ng mabuti. There's no harm in trying. and it could possibly help you pa in the end. let us know your results din.

no comment na lng .. kaya pala 6 million polygon sa 32bit e . bat kya nag gawa pa ng 64bit version ang autodesk hmmm.. pag walang proxy kaya? full mesh lng at polygons kaya kaya? anyway another kaalaman na naman ang tutuklasan natin meron daw nag chachallenge e ang kaya nyong gawin makakaya din .. sana noong gumagamit pa ako ng 3dstudio 4 for DOS ganun na rin ang nasa isip ko na mag stick ako sa 16bit na software bakit kaya ganun ...ewan ko lng ha cguro nga kakaiba ang 32bit kayang gawin lahat .. pano kaya pag gumamit na ng third party like vue hmmm. hintay na lng natin ang sagot .. ay oo paparating na din ang 128bit na OS . ano kaya gagamitin ko... isip isip

salamat, mga sir dami kong natutunan sa inyo ngaun alam ko na ang specs na kailangan ko. kaya pala nag crush ang max ko tuwing mag render. dapat compatible lahat mapa os, software, mem, videocard, at mataas n processor. thanks mga sir sa technical

ruscadmcgyver wrote:salamat, mga sir dami kong natutunan sa inyo ngaun alam ko na ang specs na kailangan ko. kaya pala nag crush ang max ko tuwing mag render. dapat compatible lahat mapa os, software, mem, videocard, at mataas n processor. thanks mga sir sa technical

___there you go; positive feedback from the various influx of ideas within the thread... I'd like to encourage the others to join para kahit salusalungat ang opinions eh may benefit pa din...

nice thread tito cloud... ive been seeing this thread for quite some time now.. and it gone a long long way... lahat tayo may "punto de bista" dito and it helped a lot...

@ edosayla - 128bit OS? galing nun ha? kelan lalabas un?

edosayla wrote:no comment na lng .. kaya pala 6 million polygon sa 32bit e . bat kya nag gawa pa ng 64bit version ang autodesk hmmm.. pag walang proxy kaya? full mesh lng at polygons kaya kaya? anyway another kaalaman na naman ang tutuklasan natin meron daw nag chachallenge e ang kaya nyong gawin makakaya din .. sana noong gumagamit pa ako ng 3dstudio 4 for DOS ganun na rin ang nasa isip ko na mag stick ako sa 16bit na software bakit kaya ganun ...ewan ko lng ha cguro nga kakaiba ang 32bit kayang gawin lahat .. pano kaya pag gumamit na ng third party like vue hmmm. hintay na lng natin ang sagot .. ay oo paparating na din ang 128bit na OS . ano kaya gagamitin ko... isip isip

akala ko ba no comment, bakit ang haba haba ng kasunod. haha. anyway, I think ok na bro. relax lang, birthday mo pa naman. thanks sa information bro. ok na to.

bokkins wrote:

edosayla wrote:no comment na lng .. kaya pala 6 million polygon sa 32bit e . bat kya nag gawa pa ng 64bit version ang autodesk hmmm.. pag walang proxy kaya? full mesh lng at polygons kaya kaya? anyway another kaalaman na naman ang tutuklasan natin meron daw nag chachallenge e ang kaya nyong gawin makakaya din .. sana noong gumagamit pa ako ng 3dstudio 4 for DOS ganun na rin ang nasa isip ko na mag stick ako sa 16bit na software bakit kaya ganun ...ewan ko lng ha cguro nga kakaiba ang 32bit kayang gawin lahat .. pano kaya pag gumamit na ng third party like vue hmmm. hintay na lng natin ang sagot .. ay oo paparating na din ang 128bit na OS . ano kaya gagamitin ko... isip isip

akala ko ba no comment, bakit ang haba haba ng kasunod. haha. anyway, I think ok na bro. relax lang, birthday mo pa naman. thanks sa information bro. ok na to.

HAPI BORTDEY!!!

@Master Bokkins : hehehe thanks ..
@Master Erick : thanks din ...

Again maganda po ang topic natin kaya dapat meron spice .. anyway info sa 128bit na OS paki check na lng ng link na to just to give you guys idea..

http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/07/windows-8-128-bit-operating-system/
http://www.slashgear.com/windows-8-to-debut-128-bit-os-version-0759562/

malayo pa naman pero nandito na yan wayback pa na windows 95 palng ginagamit ng quantum computers ang 128bit na OS pero not windows ha ..in the programing side kasi, kung isa kayong programmer alam nyo dapat ang computation ng data including addresses mga bits and bytes lalo na pag nag assembly language kayo kaya dati pang meron 128bit architecture, anyway existing na po yan matagal na kaso hindi sya available para sa consumers. OFF-TOPIC na to a . dagdag knowledge lng walang impossibly sa larangan ng computers ..

ang tanong.... ready na ba kayo mag shift from 32-64-128? isip isip

Galaites07 wrote:
How can you say I failed wala pa namang nag-post na ginamit ung maximum potential ng 64 bit max (dahil tatapatan ko ng render using 32 bit max) Please dont say such yet! Kahit theory palang naman about 32 bit max sa 64 bit OS ung sa akin.

-Rangula says smooth ang galaw sa viewport ng 32 bit
-Archithektura sa pwede ding mag render ng million poly using 32 bit
-Archimund says kailangan i-exit lahat ng naka open na program (same as my situation)

Please dont say that I failed.

To tell you the truth master Galaites, you "Failed" miserably.... you're just trying to be oblivious of the truth...

wala pa namang nag-post na ginamit ung maximum potential ng 64 bit max - the burden of proof is with you, not with anybody else... you are the one who made such claim and you have to prove it!
your conclusion/claim is being questioned because you can't prove it... least defend it... the funny part is you blame it on proxy...

-Rangula says smooth ang galaw sa viewport ng 32 bit - to continue what master rangalua said "But the broblem is pag nagrender na ako sa 64 bit 3ds max tuloy tuloy..
sa 32 bit 3ds max naman nagkacrash ang application.
Ngayon: 64 bit 3ds max nalang nakainstall sa PC ko...Ayos na." here you're trying to MISLED us again... you quote master rangalua as if he favors you, but he's NOT! yan o! sinabi nya na sa 32 bit 3ds max nagkacrash ang application! you should have highlighted that part kase yan yung pinaka-importante... he's disproving your claim... di mo ba binasa yan?

-Archithektura sa pwede ding mag render ng million poly using 32 bit - key word here is "pwede din" pala... paano kung multi-million polys kakayanin pa kaya?

-Archimund says kailangan i-exit lahat ng naka open na program (same as my situation) - so where's you're multi-tasking ek-ek there? di ba eto yung isa sa mga rason kung baket ayon sayo magaling yung 32bit max on 64 bit OS?
doble kara e... you have these hypothesis that you CAN'T prove or defend but gaaad! you have a conclusion! tsk... tsk... tsk...

so far you FAILED master galaites... badly...

Happy birthday master edosayla!

@silvercrown: please don't attack galaites07 with such statements. we can always discuss the the problem by facing and discussing the problem itself. sana walang personalan dito and finger pointing na katulad sa congreso at senado.

hmmm di ko sinabi na stick parin ako sa 32bit max kapag 128 na ang OS.......

malay mo 64max at 128bit OS naman ang thread( ako naman ang magstart ulit)

@silvercrown, niluluto ko pa ung million or billion or gazillion pure render poly and mesh..32 against 64 - after that I will admit it myself.

@edosayla- HAPPY BIRTHDAY-wala halong masamang tinapay

to all 64bit max and 64 bit OS post naman kayo ng magagandang tirada ninyo dyan para naman maraming mainspire.

Tuloy idol ko palang si master Jarul parin, wala namang comment dito. Mas makikinig pa kaya ako sa sasabihin nya. nasaan kaya ung batang iyon???????

@Galaites07 : thanks sa pag bati .. ice cream na lng pwede?

Thanks sa mga ideas at comments nyo.. marami pa tayong dapat malaman walang katapusang pag aaral ... para sa lahat hope ma kakuha tayo ng magandang idea at ma try din natin mag expermento para maka pag bigay linaw din tayo sa ibang members natin..

More power ulit sa CGPinoy....

@Galaites- I think may advantage din if you used to work on 32 bits applications especially max. Honestly, im 32 bit guy for very long time. Its not because i dont know the advantages of 64bits pero its all about software availability and compatibility. Lately ko na lng na push yung 64bits applications ko na walang mga problema. And guess what,ang laking naging advantage for me.Kse while working with 32 bits for long time, i learned a lot of optimization,good poly and scene management and many more na dati nalilimit ako no matter how fast my rig was. But now,having 64 bits applications, a lot of things were just a piece of cake. I can even rotate pan and zoom smoothly with 10 million polygons and rendering super hi res images like 6000px without putting them in region and network rendering. But if i were you bro,follow sir edosayla and sir hotrod advices.Its fine to work with 32 bits,kahit naman ako,im still modeling in 32bits max but rendering in 64bits. You'll never know nga naman kelan darating yung ganung situation na you will need the full power and available rams. I said i managed to render 6million polys in 32bits,yes,i guess its way more than that,pero walang kacguruhan yun bro lalo na kung malalaking projects. Maaring natsambahan ko lng or ok lng talga yung pag manage ko ng scene. Pero that time talgang nalimit lang ako sa render resolution.Max crashes at 2600px resolution,below that ok pa namn sa single cpu.
I hope this is now clear. Ganyan talga ang learning process.hehehehe..always takes a lot time.