32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS???

First topic message reminder :

"tip po sa USA 64bit na lumalabas na bagong laptop and then mura pa, baka lang po meron kayong kilala although pwede din namang mag-order for shipment. Kapag 64-bit po ang gamit nyo wag po kayong mag-iinstall ng 64-bit na max kase gagamitin nya ung resources nyo di na kayo makakapag-multi task, 32 bit lang ganun din po kapag PC ang gamit nyo(by experience)."

---this statement was made hereabouts; I'm thinking its a bit "misleading". As one friend said; "why would I get a 64bit OS if not for its resources?"...
---but then the benefit of a doubt must be given; what's the general consensus on this?...

errrr... is this the right place to post this?...

ito ba ung part ng MUDON sales center na cinasabi mo.

(edited for a reason)

ang tanong paano namin mi-nodel ulit ang buong development para hindi malakas kumain ng ram kada isang villa or building.

Galaites07 wrote:ito ba ung part ng MUDON sales center na cinasabi mo.

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ang tanong paano namin mi-nodel ulit ang buong development para hindi malakas kumain ng ram kada isang villa or building.

OT : Ahh sa MJU ka pla.. d naman kayo nag render ng Animation ng Mudon e .. pasensya pre I'm working also sa MUDON at don't tell me you've render the MUDON City coz the animation was rendered in CHINA not in DUBAI , 3D Animator po ako ng Dubai Properties, nag cocoordinate din ako sa MJU regarding sa interiors, Maniniwala sana ako kung HALCROW ka or sa MACE wag mong sabihin na ni render mo buo..coz i know exactly kung gaano ka bigat ang mga models at i have all the files.. galing sa lahat ng contractor including your company. And sir paalala lng never post a Render na hindi nyo pagmamayari binayaran kayo ng dubai properties.. I can ask the MJU about it. responsibility ko lahat ng render ma pa contractor man or ginawa lng. warning na lng po paki remove.

alam ko sir animation ang sa inyo sa amin eh 2d images lang. And promise ni-render din namin yun. iwan ko kung nakita mo ung output namin.

Paki observe lang po ang rules natin on company policies.

http://www.cgpinoy.org/forum-posting-rules-f1/no-post-that-breach-company-policies-and-contracts-are-allowed-t8163.htm

Sir Bokkins kasama ba kahit link lang, di ko naman post ung images sa cg pinoy. link lang naman.

buburahinko nalang ung link baka ma ban pa ako.

yup pakibura nalang ng link. we want to protect cgp and its members from any issue with companies. although hindi liable ang cgp, it's still better if we can avoid or prevent it.

and please, only discuss what's supposed to be discussed. make a new thread for another topic. thank you.

thanks sir paki remind nalang ung nag-qoute sa link na burahin din ung nasa quote.

torvicz wrote:if you have more than 4gig of RAM, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't
go for a 64 bit OS, and the same with 64 bit max. kung 32 bit din lang gagamitin mo sayang talaga ung RAM na di mo mamamaximize. Although ang sinasabi naman ng kabila eh OK lang naman daw sa kanya, so let him be....

Tanong ko narin kung may special hardware ba para sa 64 bit OS and programs, or same lang with 3s bit?

Regarding naman sa multi tasking (malamang alam nyo to pero sabihin ko na rin).

pwede naman kahit 32 bit ka lang eh. Punta lang sa task bar, right click mo ung 3dsmax, go to process, right click ulit sa max, set priority, tapos set mo lang sa below normal. Laking tulong nito pag gusto mong mag multi task while you are rendering. hope it helps!

---dude, if the guy wants to crap upside down di natin siya pwedeng pakelaman; to each his own eccentricities... but when he goes around preaching that "hoy, try crapping upside down, its way so much cooler, you can even read 3 magazines & listen to your fave radio station while doing it"... not a pretty sight, people with shit over their heads...

ot: sarap din pala manood from the sidelines ahhh...

cloud20 wrote:

torvicz wrote:if you have more than 4gig of RAM, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't
go for a 64 bit OS, and the same with 64 bit max. kung 32 bit din lang gagamitin mo sayang talaga ung RAM na di mo mamamaximize. Although ang sinasabi naman ng kabila eh OK lang naman daw sa kanya, so let him be....

Tanong ko narin kung may special hardware ba para sa 64 bit OS and programs, or same lang with 3s bit?

Regarding naman sa multi tasking (malamang alam nyo to pero sabihin ko na rin).

pwede naman kahit 32 bit ka lang eh. Punta lang sa task bar, right click mo ung 3dsmax, go to process, right click ulit sa max, set priority, tapos set mo lang sa below normal. Laking tulong nito pag gusto mong mag multi task while you are rendering. hope it helps!

---dude, if the guy wants to crap upside down di natin siya pwedeng pakelaman; to each his own eccentricities... but when he goes around preaching that "hoy, try crapping upside down, its way so much cooler, you can even read 3 magazines & listen to your fave radio station while doing it"... not a pretty sight, people with shit over their heads...

ot: sarap din pala manood from the sidelines ahhh...

you have a point dude cloud....nasty!

at least I give you guys fun for 2 days or more

Galaites07 wrote:at least I give you guys fun for 2 days or more

---aha! The guy's got a sense of rumor errr humor! The first set of words to come out of your trap that I truly, really like... Honestly...
I think I'm gonna like you... I can always be the Lex to your Clark; the Jokie to your Battie; the Ericktorio to your nipslip...

Howsabout sharin' them "top secret" render settings & ram saving tips huh?...

Galaites07 wrote:at least I give you guys fun for 2 days or more

medyo hindi clear ang naging statement mo bro. kasi I'm using 32 bit on 32 bit. Now gusto ko mag 64 bit on 64 bit kasi gusto ko gamitin ang ram ko to the fullest.

we have the same process on remodeling models that we can't render on 32 bit due to ram issues. or even resort to not including it to the renders anymore (best example are trees)

Now I have seen scenes that I can imagine and dream of rendering but can't due to my current pc's lesser spec and 32 bit OS. You are suggesting that I stick to my old 32 bit max while in fact it can't render big scenes. Paano naging maganda ang suggestion mo bro? compared to 64 bit max at 64 bit os?

It will be credible lang siguro if you can show us a very heavy scene rendered by your style. The previous link you've shown (deleted link na due to some issues) can be rendered on a 32 bit max 32 bit os pa.

cloud20 wrote:

Galaites07 wrote:at least I give you guys fun for 2 days or more

---aha! The guy's got a sense of rumor errr humor! The first set of words to come out of your trap that I truly, really like... Honestly...
I think I'm gonna like you... I can always be the Lex to your Clark; the Jokie to your Battie; the Ericktorio to your nipslip...

Howsabout sharin' them "top secret" render settings & ram saving tips huh?...

this is what I've been asking him, to share what he knows since he is confident with his stand.

pati ung ke dude boks...para malinaw dude.

mga sir sasagutin ko po ung mga tanong pag uwi ko sa bahay to the best I can, bukas nyo nalang po basahin, dito pa kase sa office. hirap pala mag-multi task- alt tab alt tab.....

Hi Guys, based on my experience. If you have 64 bit OS, install all 64 bit softwares all the way. Only install 32 bit if these softwares do not have the 64bit versions.

64 bit gives you more RAM to use. 32 bit software will crash in 64 bit OS, if it has used up its RAM limit. So its just like running it on 32 bit OS, it still has the memory limit issue.

Using 3dsmax on 32 bit or 64 bit will use all your resources if its rendering. It will be hard to multitask, even with my dual socket processor setup.

My advice is to remove threads on 3dsmax when its rendering.

Crt+Alt+Del, windows task manager/processes right click on 3dsmax.exe, click set affinity. remove some of the cpu used by 3dsmax. removing even just one will enable you to multitask more.

This works on any OS.

If the slowdown is in the viewport, It could be a videocard and driver issue with 64bit OS.

Thanks hotrod for the share ... keep my mouth shut na lng muna ako at basa mode nalng muna ..

Sir Bokkins/Cloud. 32bit to 32bit muna tayo......

ito ang rendering sa 32bit ung isa with sun ung isa, environment lang....wala pang million poly, pero nagrerender sa magkaibang time frame (of course) parehas ng settings.

ang use ng physical ram eh halos parehas lang 1.3+ lang. meaning di mo pa nagamit ung 1 mo kung meron kang 3 diba.





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ang question is 3 times ko ng inulit ung same scene sa viewport di pa ako nakaabot ng million poly. Ibig sabihin laking help talaga kung gagamitan mo ng proxy ung scene. Ang question eh marunong po ba tayong gumamit ng vray proxy (honesty lang po).

-helpful kung gagamitan ng proxy
-models is better when it is mesh than poly.
-light cache at 700 and 2 pass lang sya.
-irradiance map saving is required
-its really depends on your rendering size.



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I remember, enigma once rendered a very large and heavy scene, on a 32bit system, several years ago, before the advent of the 64bit OS, and 64bit applications.

the fix...

-deleted faces that would not be seen on camera
-converted the entire scene to a proxy.

Hope my memory serves me right....

I was able to render a thesis, composed of a large building, and several other structures, on my old dual core pc, by just setting all vray variables to low and default, light cache at 500. Mabagal nga lang, it took me 5 hrs to render one scene. At least nagrender siya.

hala nabili ko na ung 64bitOS/system ko paano ko kaya gagamitin to, puro 64 bit programe pa naman.

@Galaites07 : Mawalang galang lang po sir .. ibig sabihin sir hindi mo naunawaan kung papano gumagana ang memory ng computer? gusto mo talaga makita na ginagamit ang buong memory mo ng max? hindi mo ba na consider ang OS mo at ang ibang services nito na gumagamit din ng memory mo? pag full usage na ang pinag sasabi mo automatic mag crash ang windows mo at hindi gusto ng windows ng ganun kaya nga meron syang cache files e incase namaubos ng isang application e papasok nya dun sa temporary memory nya which is yung cache ..... at paano na punta ang usapan sa proxy? at akala ko pa naman mag post ka ng million of polygons using your 32 bit max on a 64bit machine . tapos sasabihin mo na honestly marunong ba kayo mag gamit ng proxy? tanong kaya natin si sir ronel about that ..tapos ang gamit mo pang scene ay nakuha sa evermotion exterior ... at isa pa kakabili mo panga lang ng 64bit na OS tas akala mo naka gamit na since nag start ang 64bit na OS .. sir hindi na namin kailangan pa mag pa honest about sa proxies kasi alam din namin gumamit ng ganun.

@ the Teacher......

sorry, genereal question iyon not pointing directly to anyone,sorry yan lang nakayanan ko baguhan lang.paki explain naman further, please.

suggestion ko to all buy 64bit OS and install 64 bit max, for me I remain the same.

last comment ko na po ito, di po healthy ang usapan na ito para sa lahat.

Sir healthy po ang usapan at don't be upset coz its for everyone naman dba just want to clarify regarding sa point mo at we try to make things clear para sa lahat at kung ganun ang pag intendi mo regarding sa mga critics natural lng po yan na kailangan meron mag oppose kung sa tingin ng isang tao may kunting mali "yan ang thread" hindi lahat tama ,meron din mali like sa mga thread ko minsan mali din but accept ko po yan.. the topic is all about 32bit max on 64bit OS at dito natin malalaman kung ano talaga ang mas maganda .. at sana clear mo din ang mga sinasabi mo .. earlier you've said you render a city tapos sasabihin mo na baguhan ka lng , tapos sabi mo naka pag try kana ng 64bit .. tapos meron ka namang cnabi na kabibili mo lng ... please be professional .. i don't think na ma resolve ang problem pag ganito ... hope clear sa lahat. kung sa tingin mo na upset kita apology po. just want to help lng naman.

Galaites07 wrote:
last comment ko na po ito, di po healthy ang usapan na ito para sa lahat.

simple logic. . kaya may nag-exist sa iba na 32bit3dmax sa 64bit OS it so happen na ala silang 64bit na 3dmax installer ( yun ang findings, yun ang reality) need pa bang imbitahin ko si Bill Gates para magpaliwanag. simpleng bagay pinapalaki nyo.

naging scapegoat tuloy iyong proxy, haaaayyyyy.

hayy nako... buti na lng merong mabubuti at napakahumble na mga tao tulad nila sir edosayla, laking tulong sa walang alam tulad ko... susundin ko pa naman sana ang suggestion at ang lahat-lahat na mga paliwanag na top secret ni sir gelaites07. muntik ko na sana maging idol.

nice discussion mga sir,, me natutunan na naman ako,, hehehe