When and How can we say that there is a "Philippine Architecture" ?

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walang magawa...kaya ito na lang gawa po ako ng thread for the very important question even some employer's ask this....

mammoo_03 wrote:mga sir share ko lang itong nadaanan kong article, i hope makatulong sa discussion.

"Let us bring your notice to Philippines Architecture, which was heavily overshadowed by the cultural movements turmoiling Europe and the United States since the 1950s. Interestingly enough, the architectural samples of this country evoke a strong sense of national pride and unity in spite of the diverse forms, treatments and shapes.

Architecture of Philippines also showcases strong religious symbols because it was highly patronized by the Roman Catholic Church at a point of time in the past. Local craftsmen were employed by the church to build stone churches with bas-relief sculpture, statues of saints, and other religious structures in wood and ivory. Under the influence of Spanish colonial period, the statues often displayed the Spanish baroque style of architecture. Chinese architectural styles were also often noted in these structures which were rich in religious symbols".

for me philippine architecture is a mixture of cultural heritage.

NICE sir............basta para sa akin nasa identity crisis ang pilipinas when it comes to architecture...

... My SAWSAW.... bow...

... PHILIPPINE ARCHITECTURE???...

... ka-kaklaruhin ko lang muna yung TANONG...
... sabi kasi...

When and How can we say that there is a "Philippine Architecture" ?

... baka ibig sabihin talaga is...

WHEN and HOW can WE say that a HOUSE or BUILDING or any STRUCTURE is a PRODUCT of "PHILIPPINE ARCHITECTURE"?


... kung tatagalugin... para mas malinaw...

KAILAN at PAANO natin MASASABI na ang isang BAHAY, GUSALI o ISTRAKTURA ay BUNGA ng ARKITETURANG PINOY?

... ngayon... ISA-ISAHIN natin...

... on the HISTORICAL ASPECT...

PHILIPPINE... ARCHITECTURE...

... eh... yung FIRST WORD pa lang... WALA na eh... I mean... ang PANGALAN ng BANSA natin eh... ay DERIVATION mula sa PANAGALAN ng PRINSIPE ng Asturias, Spain, bilang TRIBUTE ni de VILLALOBOS...

... so dun pa lang mga FRIENDS... SORRY to SAY... wala na talaga tayong SARILING IDENTITY...

... SIGURO... sasabihin nyo... YUNG MGA ORIG na PINOYS...
IGOROT, AETA, MALAY, INDON, IBANAG, IBALOY, TAUSUG, BAJAO, BALUGA, NEGRITO, MARANAO, etc.etc....


... well mga FRIENDS... HINDI SILA mga ORIG na PINOY...
... mga MIGRANTS sila... galing ng MAIN LAND ASIA, iba TAIWANESE Aborigines, and as far as MADAGASCAR

... napunta sila dito siguro...
BETTER CLIMATE, FERTILE SOIL...
... so... KUNG ANUMAN ang PAMAMARAAN ng KANILANG PAMUMUHAY...

... LALONG LALO na ang PAMAMAHAY... or PAG GAWA ng TITIRHAN

dala dala nila yung kanilang SARILING nakasanayan sa SARILING BAYAN na PINAG MULAN NILA....

... on the ANTHROPOLOGICAL ASPECT...


... KWEBA... he he he... nice TOUCH... international TALAGA...
... anyways... ang KWEBA... or CAVE... ay PINSAN ng WORD na CAVITY... or BUTAS...
... yup... ang KWEBA ay mga BUTAS sa BUNDOK... either sa GILID or sa PAANAN...

(dahil noong PREHISTORIC era... ang lahat ng BUNDOK ay ACTIVE... so VOLCANOS sila...
sa sobrang DAMI at LAKAS ng MAGMA flow sa ibang lugar... LUMALABAS ang
MAGMA sa kung saan-saang part ng BUNDOK... hindi lang sa CRATER... at nang MAMATAY na or
naging DORMANT ang mga bundok...)

GINAWANG TIRAHAN ng mga unang TAO... CAVE MEN...
... kaya masasabi nating...
...NATURAL PROCESS ang GUMAWA sa KWEBA...
at HINDI ARTIFICIAL or MAN MADE procedure...
katulad ng ARCHITECTURE or ENGINEERING...

... so... IT IS AGREEABLE to SAY...
... THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING as PHILIPPINE ARCHITECTURE...

...

to clear this up,let set aside kweba thing ...dahil una sa lahat ang Architecture is a science, imho ang Phil. Architecture eh di na naten nadevelope ng maayos dahil sa samot saring lahi na ang nakaimpluwensya saten...but pilit ito ibinabalik ng ating mga local na Arkitekto para may matawag tayong atin.simple lang yan kung ang isang bahay ay nagsisilbing tirahan ng isang pamilyang Pilipino at naibibigay nito ang mga pangangailangan ng pamilya itoy maituturing na Phil. Architecture...

ha???

PHILIPPINE... ARCHITECTURE...

... eh... yung FIRST WORD pa lang... WALA na eh... I mean... ang PANGALAN ng BANSA natin eh... ay DERIVATION mula sa PANAGALAN ng PRINSIPE ng Asturias, Spain, bilang TRIBUTE ni de VILLALOBOS...

Yes I agree to this...

.. so dun pa lang mga FRIENDS... SORRY to SAY... wala na talaga tayong SARILING IDENTITY...

But I don't agree in here...
We are Filipinos.

Filipino designs although not palpable,should house and signify our culture...Architecture, as supportive to his nature, and strove to provide a framework for human interaction within which each individual could realize a greater degree of worth.
e.g.
We Filipinos are intensely social beings,we exult in the company of others, and this trait is reflected in the prominence of shared space: balconies, verandas and plazas.
Thus...
Culture is the dividing line, in order to design Filipino, you must know what it means to be a Filipino, and accept the multitude of cultural influences that weave into the tapestry of our lives today.

I agree that there's no Philippine Architecture.
But I do believe that there is a Filipino Architecture.

I think there is one design na tatak ng mga Filipino and it is called the "BORLOLOY", makikita natin to sa loob at labas ng ating mga bahay, sa mga jeep at tricycle sa kalye, as well sa mga events at sa mga fiestas. don't you think it is one of ours?

yaug_03 wrote:

PHILIPPINE... ARCHITECTURE...

... eh... yung FIRST WORD pa lang... WALA na eh... I mean... ang PANGALAN ng BANSA natin eh... ay DERIVATION mula sa PANAGALAN ng PRINSIPE ng Asturias, Spain, bilang TRIBUTE ni de VILLALOBOS...

Yes I agree to this...

.. so dun pa lang mga FRIENDS... SORRY to SAY... wala na talaga tayong SARILING IDENTITY...

But I don't agree in here...
We are Filipinos.

Filipino designs although not palpable,should house and signify our culture...Architecture, as supportive to his nature, and strove to provide a framework for human interaction within which each individual could realize a greater degree of worth.
e.g.
We Filipinos are intensely social beings,we exult in the company of others, and this trait is reflected in the prominence of shared space: balconies, verandas and plazas.
Thus...
Culture is the dividing line, in order to design Filipino, you must know what it means to be a Filipino, and accept the multitude of cultural influences that weave into the tapestry of our lives today.

I agree that there's no Philippine Architecture.
But I do believe that there is a Filipino Architecture.

nadali mo bro...but kung papalawigin naten ang paggamit ng Filipino Architecture eh mgkakaroon tayo ng tinatawag na Philippine Architecture.this is more on the lifestyle of a Filipino that will make a Philippine Architecture work.

kunito wrote:... My SAWSAW.... bow...
... KWEBA... he he he... nice TOUCH... international TALAGA...
... anyways... ang KWEBA... or CAVE... ay PINSAN ng WORD na CAVITY... or BUTAS...
... yup... ang KWEBA ay mga BUTAS sa BUNDOK... either sa GILID or sa PAANAN...:

there is always a Philippine architecture it is in our blood... we just can't see it due to the lack of understanding about our true culture... ako mismo yun ang problema ko....
Philippine architecture is an influence of our hstory
from pre colonial to spanish to... until today...

kweba????????? sino bang sina unang tao sa mundo na hindi tumira sa kweba.... anu po kinalaman nun sa pilipinas??

it's either.. we aren't creative enough to bring up an architecture that reflects our own identity as filipinos
or,
we dont have the ability to recognize our own culture...

imho

I agree that there's no Philippine Architecture.
But I do believe that there is a Filipino Architecture.

... this is a very... CONVINCING statement...
... NAPAKA maka-FILIPINO... kaya lang...

... HINDI PA RIN eh...
(siguro kung TINAGALOG...ay... FINILIPINO pala... joke... PEACE tayo mga friends...)

... pero... SERIOUSLY...

... it is MORE AGREEABLE na...
"WALANG FILIPINO ARCHITECTURE"

... why???
... well... OBVIOUSLY...

- WE ARE IN SEARCH OF IT
(for SURE hindi tayo MAKAKAISIP ng GANITO kung MAYROON di ba???
kaya lang...WALA... at ang PINAKA MAHIRAP...
ay MAG HANAP ng WALA...
or WALA TALAGA!!! bwahahaha...)

- FILIPINO
ibig sabihin... NATIVE or TUBONG Pilipinas...
(Nang IBININYAG ang pangalan na ito... ay bilang...
TATAK na TAYO ay taga PILIPINAS kolonya ng ESPANYA
... in short... ALIPIN...yun lang naman ang SILBI ng KOLONYA
di ba mga FRIENDS...bwhahaha...)

- EDUCATION
sa mga COLLEGES... ang CURRICULUM ano???
WESTERN ORIENTED... or...
PATTERNED sa WESTERN LEARNING IDEALS...
(hindi naman masama yun... kasi... sila din naman nakaisip nun eh...)

... and ang mga TOPICS sa subjects HISTORY and PERIODS...
MEDIEVAL, RENAISSANCE, NEOCLASSICISM, ROMANTICISM... up to MODERN, and CONTEMPORARY...

(meron ba TAYONG CONTRIBUTION???...
even to a LOCAL level...WALA...
and... WAS IT GIVEN PROPER MENTION
or INCLUDED in the SYLLABUS
of OUR CLASSICALLY TRAINED PROFESSORS and INSTRUCTORS???)...

... again... SAD TO SAY... we are LOST in this SEARCH... DAHIL...
WALA DIN naman TAYONG MALINAW na PAG SISIMULAN...

...

it's either.. we aren't creative enough to bring up an architecture that reflects our own identity as filipinos
or,
we dont have the ability to recognize our own culture...

... now this is a VERY REALISTIC and PRECISE way of PUTTING IT...

... there is NO CHOICE HERE...
... they are BOTH TRUE CONDITIONS
of FILIPINO MENTALITY...

... our CREATIVITY is PLAIN MEDIOCRITY or INNOVATION via IMITATION
and the RECOGNITION of OUR OWN CULTURE... TIGNAN NYO na lang mga BATA NGAYON...

...

Vhin medyo minamaliit nila ang Pinoy kapag ang tanong ay ganyan dahil alam nilang wala "When and How"..kungdi naman banyaga magtatanong eh sinusubokan ka naman saan ka makakahalungkat ng ibidensya o susuporta sa sasagot mo kung meron..

simple lang kamo, kung ano yun gawa mo yan ang ang Philippine Architecture (pakitaan mo ng preba)...matikas ang Pinoy talentado ika nga sa halos lahat ng larangan...puputok din ang pangalan ng Pinoy diyan balang araw at di nila makakalimotan

taas noo ka Pinoy

Alapaap wrote:Vhin medyo minamaliit nila ang Pinoy kapag ang tanong ay ganyan dahil alam nilang wala "When and How"..kungdi naman banyaga magtatanong eh sinusubokan ka naman saan ka makakahalungkat ng ibidensya o susuporta sa sasagot mo kung meron..

simple lang kamo, kung ano yun gawa mo yan ang ang Philippine Architecture (pakitaan mo ng preba)...matikas ang Pinoy talentado ika nga sa halos lahat ng larangan...puputok din ang pangalan ng Pinoy diyan balang araw at di nila makakalimotan

taas noo ka Pinoy

nice one! ....... to make life easier bsta ginawa ng pinoy, philippine arki n yun tapos!

what if gumawa ng structure full of ionic or doric or corinthian columns ang isang Noypi?...hehehehe biro lng.

Yes Corps considering gumawa ang Arking Pinoy dahil yun ang gusto ng kliente "classical" (liban na lang babalotan mo ng pawid at kawayan yun mga haligi na yan} wala tayong magagawa Gryego original nun at sila nauna pag dating diyan...pero kung malaya ka naman sa gusto mo, ipapakita mo na ang pagiging Pinoy mo..madiskarte..yun mararamdaman nila na iba talaga ang Noypi..dun na papasok ang Philippine Architecture ..malikhain at kakaiba pero may dating... "contemporary" diyan tayo makikipagsabayan,ngayon ang pagkakataon ng Pinoy Arki

http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20090810-219534/Is-there-Filipino-architecture

Alapaap wrote:Vhin medyo minamaliit nila ang Pinoy kapag ang tanong ay ganyan dahil alam nilang wala "When and How"..kungdi naman banyaga magtatanong eh sinusubokan ka naman saan ka makakahalungkat ng ibidensya o susuporta sa sasagot mo kung meron..

simple lang kamo, kung ano yun gawa mo yan ang ang Philippine Architecture (pakitaan mo ng preba)...matikas ang Pinoy talentado ika nga sa halos lahat ng larangan...puputok din ang pangalan ng Pinoy diyan balang araw at di nila makakalimotan

taas noo ka Pinoy

hmmm... Pag may gulong sa taas yun na yun! hehe joke lng . Ang sakin. kapag na acquire na ang culture ng dayuhan tapos mix.... mix... voila! Filipino style! hehe Ngayon meron na bagong Filipino Design. Yung Modern mediterranean Filipino style. hehehe (Ilang years na ring uso yun, ah. wala lng ako magawa kapag yun ang deisgn na gusto ng client. tsk tsk tsk... kakasawa.) pero pinakatrademark yung Tropical design ni maniosa and especially "Capiz" sa Filipino na ngayon ay tinatapon na lang at nakatambak sa iisang lugar.

Wow! tsuki479. Pwede yan sa commercial sa "ako miss mo". hehe

Sa ngayon medyo mahirap sagutin yan coz very strong ang influence satin ng other countries when it comes to design....lalo na ngayon uso ang concept living tapos ung moder design na sinasabi is very vague....walang talagang distinct characteristics bukod sa straight lines and minimalist approach.

Hello friends. Every Building in the Philippines is Philippine Architecture.
I'll site you one logical Example: The what we called Philippine Island today is not Philippines when the Islands was not called Philippines. Now it is known as Philippines so it is Philippine Islands. Therefore all buildings now in the Philippines is Philippine Architecture.

Architecture also in all countries have common in functional Design. For Example Design for houses has the same functional layout. We all have the Bedroom for sleeping, Kitchen for eating, Toilet for comforting, Living room for receiving etc.
The structural Design are all in common.We have Post, Walls roof,windows. So whats the Diffrence.

They call their works as their own so we call our Architecture as Philippine Architecture. We are just being misguided buy other countries comments that we don't have our own. AND MOST WE JUST SAID YES WE DON:T HAVE> WHY NOT ANSWER THE WE HAVE>



Therefore

domarkpaquibot wrote:Hello friends. Every Building in the Philippines is Philippine Architecture.
I'll site you one logical Example: The what we called Philippine Island today is not Philippines when the Islands was not called Philippines. Now it is known as Philippines so it is Philippine Islands. Therefore all buildings now in the Philippines is Philippine Architecture.

Architecture also in all countries have common in functional Design. For Example Design for houses has the same functional layout. We all have the Bedroom for sleeping, Kitchen for eating, Toilet for comforting, Living room for receiving etc.
The structural Design are all in common.We have Post, Walls roof,windows. So whats the Diffrence.

They call their works as their own so we call our Architecture as Philippine Architecture. We are just being misguided buy other countries comments that we don't have our own. AND MOST WE JUST SAID YES WE DON:T HAVE> WHY NOT ANSWER THE WE HAVE>

This not a logical example. Nice try bro.Sorry to say this pero namilisopo ka lang bro.Bahay na bato ba Philippine Architecture ba?pano kung foreigner nakatira?pano kung located sa amerika ung bahay na bato?eh di Amercan Architecture na sya.haizzzzz,to define PA dapat ngrereflect ito sa Trinity of Architecture, must look like PA,must function for Pinoy user.So you mean ung mga old structure here sa pinas PA?kahit style nila greek architecture,o art deco,Post Office ba PA?kasi sa phils. sya tinayo. Also we are just being misguided by your comments. Tama ka we have PA...un lang tinama mo bro.Madaming pagkakaiba bro ang sinasabi mong common function.example,low table ng japan pareho silang kain pero gagawa ka ba ng ganung style sa pinoy?pede ka bang gumamit ng french window sa PA?eh di na un PA.kakaloka...hehehhe



Therefore

bokkins wrote:You will not find any of the Spanish Colonial Filipino Houses in Spain. That is already a very good statement that there is a Filipino Architecture kung physical aspect ang paguusapan.

You will also see the Filipino Architecture on how the way spaces are done during the earlier years of construction.

Dagdag na din sa physical aspect. you will find the bahay kubo a filipino house dahil na din sa dito sya sa Pilipinas nakikita. Although it is very similar to our Asian Neighbors dahil na din sa land bridges and maritime activities during the earlier years. Mapapansin mo na kahit magkapareho ang roots ng mga bahay na to but none of the materials were imported. By that simple fact. It is already known as the Filipino Architecture.

At nagevolve yan, gaya ng nasa link ni stryker.

ns


I agree with this. I've been around Asia and Spanish Colonial Architecture is only seen in our country. Singapore and Sri Lanka could have gone a bit closer, but they are more English than Spanish.

Bahay kubo I've seen a lot in Vietnam and even in Hainan China, so we cannot still call it our own.

Stryker wrote:saan ba nagmula ang bahay na bato? kung titingnan natin sir... bahay kubo pa rin ang pinagmulan neto... madami nagkakamali jan na ang bahay na bato is an spanish architecture pero nde... this is our own...! our very own!!!
ung mga examples mo malayo na un... simple lang ung ibinigay ko sir... bahay kubo...
Hindi rin kasi natin maalis ung mga similarities s mga design... some concepts are influences of different architectures,ages and purposes...! nag eevolve sila sir hindi kinokopya....think of roman architecture...? dba kumuha sila ng concept from the greeks...? pero mas pinaganda pa nila ito to the extent na nakagawa sila ng sarili nila... for example the tuscan order and the composite order....? dba?!
mahirap talga i-define ang sariling atin... s dami ng sumakop satin.. marami ang nabago at naputol ung pagunlad ng sariling atin...!

Makikisali na rin Vin, alam ko na matagal na tong post na to pero gusto ko lang din ilabas ung nasa isip ko, Agree ako kay sir Stryker, Ung bahay na bato walang katulad yan sa ibang bansa, Baket?kasi "The Bahay na Bato", is design to what climate we have, and the motifs or the "Borloloy" shows the creativity of the Filipino. Having to stay in one of these Houses dun ko talaga narealized sinong sira ulo ba nagsabi na wala tayong "architecture" e ito nga ung example, im referring to Villavicencio House in Taal, Batangas, in which i was involved in restoring the house to its former glory, although not directly involved in restoration but my team and i did the interior decoration. So having to stay on this house feel ko talagang ginawa ang bahay as per the condition of the climate we have, imagine katanghalian ng summer ang presko sa loob ng bahay (sabi nila may multo daw kaya malamig )kahit di ka gumamit ng artificial ventilation . IF you guys get to hold on this book "Philippine Ancestral House" in which one of the author is my mentor, its a good reference to understand Filipino Architecture, a must have, for those who want to design Filipino. Philippine Architecture is design by a Filipino, kahit san pa nangagaling ang mga elements nun, basta alam mo na aakma yung design mo sa klima natin, sa kultura at spirit ng Filipino...

green architecture!bahay kubo!

ishae_clanx wrote:

jhames joe albert infante wrote:Virus and Ishea hehe, napghahalata mga Schoolmates ko ah hehe..

well sakin sofar Wala pa talagang Pure na Phil.  Ar.. Ok cgro kung ang idea na ilalathala eh "Philppine Vernacular Architecture" diba?

Vernacular, kasi alam natin na Native matierials na abundant sa aten ang ginamit... at due narin sa epekto ng klima at geographic loation, at syempre ang di dapat makalimutan eh ang History at religious beliefs narin ng mga tao noong sinaunang panahon isa pa ang paguugali narin, kung bakit meron silang ginawang ganyan..at walang kinalaman ang ibang lahi sa mga to..

hehehehehhehehehehhe ang mga disipulo ni cristito valdivia nga naman nagkitakita sa isang forum?
Pasalamat nalang tayu at ala pa si tito sa site na to...baka pag sya nagcoment sangkatutak na history at theory ibanat nya maubusan pa tayu ng sasabihin...hihihihihihiihiihi

 disipulo rin ako ni sir tito, hahaha good to know meron paring nagdidiscuss po about Philippine Architecture