Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings)

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I would like to start a WIP on how to make photorealistic architectural visualizations using any available techniques imaginable. There are a couple of works I had seen that are very hard to distinguish from actual photos. Making these renders to look so believable has already become an art in itself.

I chose the Farnsworth house because there are a lot of very nice renders of it and photographs to compare with. The model of the house I am using was made by Peter Guthrie and it can be downloaded from his blog. My heartfelt thanks to him for sharing such a wonderful detailed model. He made a number of very realistic visualizations using the same model.

At the moment I'm using Sketchup, indigo renderer, GIMP and Motiva Real Camera. I maybe switching to other software packages if necessary.

Some initial renderings, I prepared yesterday:

Canadium wrote:@ ARCHITHEKTHURA - Thanks a lot Sir! Looks like I overlooked that one. At that time, I was just so excited that I may not have noticed it. Will try out that polygon control during export on the next time I export a tree.

Really cool updates.I like the level of realism especially the last ones. Parang fry and maxwell ang dating.Unbiased. How about rendering time sir?Is it worth it?
About onyx,the polygon control comes right away.You can set the segments while generating the trees and thats really awesome about this plug in. You can control the leaves,barks and trunks segments and there's variety of directions and look.
But the drawback is its uses opacity maps for the leaves.They are not modeled which limits you to add shell modifier for thickness and better sss mat shaders. Anyway thanks for sharing with us. Just keep us posted..

celes wrote:

Canadium wrote:

this one rocks

Thanks a lot Sir!

ARCHITHEKTHURA wrote:

Canadium wrote:@ ARCHITHEKTHURA - Thanks a lot Sir! Looks like I overlooked that one. At that time, I was just so excited that I may not have noticed it. Will try out that polygon control during export on the next time I export a tree.

Really cool updates.I like the level of realism especially the last ones. Parang fry and maxwell ang dating.Unbiased. How about rendering time sir?Is it worth it?
About onyx,the polygon control comes right away.You can set the segments while generating the trees and thats really awesome about this plug in. You can control the leaves,barks and trunks segments and there's variety of directions and look.
But the drawback is its uses opacity maps for the leaves.They are not modeled which limits you to add shell modifier for thickness and better sss mat shaders. Anyway thanks for sharing with us. Just keep us posted..

Maraming salamat Sir! For one thing rendering times are infinitely long. Yung mga latest images ko dito average 20 hrs. render time. (I'm using windows xp 32 bit on a Core2 quad 2.3Ghz w/ 3gb ram) Actually indigo renderer has an infinite render time. It would keep on rendering until all image noise has been canceled out or as they say 'converged'. Anyway, since I'm not in a hurry I just leave to computer to render overnight, leave it in the morning as I head for work and return in the evenings.

One good thing I like about indigo is the ability to also produce an almost infinite number of combinations from one rendered image. If scene is set up properly and each light source is assigned a layer, different images with different time of day can be taken from one render. This light 'layers' in indigo are very similar to autocad layers. Ang mga ito ay pwede itong i-turn on or off at pwede ring palitan pati kulay nito at brightness. so kung day scene, ay naka on ang sky at sun tapos naka-off naman mga ilaw. Kung cloudy scene naman, naka-on yung sky pero naka-off ang araw. Sa night scene naman ay naka-on ang mga lamps at sky pero yung sky ay babawasan ang brightness at gagawing dark blue ang kulay. Sa night scene pwede ring naka-on ang sun at babawasan ng husto ang brightness nito at palitan ang kulay para ma-simulate yung moonlight. This is done while rendering and just save the desired image as jpg or png. After that, you can compose another combination.

Yung inaabangan ko sa indigo sa ngayon ay yung GPU rendering nila. It's on the beta testing now and if it lives up to its promise of 50x faster, the 20 hr render time would be shortened to 24 minutes.

I will resume working on these Onyx trees. I think part of the reason why I am getting huge files is the way sketchup imports .3ds files. It treats each leaf on the tree as an individual 3d object and not a block. I found out about this when I edited the shape of one leaf. The rest of the leaves did not update. With this discovery along with lowering the poly count, I'm planning to import only the tree trunks and branches and have these populated with leaves inside sketchup.

I did a test rendering of the house at bird's eye view and also included another batch re-rendered scenes. Ngayong malapit na ang mga trees sa house ay lumapit na rin ang mga scenes sa mga reference images.

Just wanted to share the settings na ginagamit ko para mga scenes dito. (daytime and evening scenes)

ok din pala itong indigo renderer na ito. Meron din jayang 3dsMAX vesion yan?

The outputs are good, mas madali ba siyang matutunan, as compared to vray or podium?

Thanks for the screen caps, it helps us understand the software even more.

@ arkiedmund - yes Sir meron din itong 3dsMax version. Sa difficulty level, mas madali itong gamitin kasi kaunti lang ang settings. Ang isa pa ay, karamihan ng mga settings na ito ay pwedeng i-adjust habang nag-rerender. kaya hindi na kailangan ulitin ang isang render para makita lang kung ano ang resulta kapag pinalitan ang value ng isang setting. Ang nakikita kong disadvantage ng indigo render ay ang sobrang tagal na render time.

ang galing ng study nyo sir canadium. cool renders, realistic ang dating.

few questions, just for clarification:
- trees are pure onyx?
- for grass did you use, "AUTOGRASS" as plugin or you modelled everything and instanced?, kc ok un variation sa mga huling renders.
- for PostWork, "PICASSA" no Adobe PS?

your visuals are really interesting, keep it up sir.

@ anthony_als - thank you Sir!

Regarding the trees, I am still using Sketchup trees. I encountered some issues with trees made in onyx after importing them inside sketchup. Mga trees na gamit ko dito ay minodel ko inside sketchup at inupload ko sa 3dwarehouse. Pwede ninyong idownload ang mga ito dito: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/cldetails?mid=3444e41968ddabb68e0061b7e74396b0

Ang grass ay minodel ko rin at ginamitan ko ng 'instancing'. hindi ako gumamit ng autograss.

most of the images posted here had no post work. apat na images lang doon sa first page ng thread na ito ang ginamitan ko ng picassa photo editor. PS was not used yet. Yung mga color variations and tone, brightness, etc. ng mga render ko ay ginagawa ko within the rendering software.

Some updates on the progress of work.

Notable changes:
1. The 3d trees are now much bigger & closer to the house and the foliage is also thicker than before.
2. The pine trees have been taken out in order to be consistent with the reference images. These were replaced with maple trees.

Waaaaa...ganda-ganda na! Parang picture Sir....

Keep it coming...

Wow!!! Indigo renderer company must by this!!! Awesome shots!!

I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

dude, ganun talaga ung stair nya, na try ko din kase i render to sa max, kaso na corrupt ung files ko, di ko na inulit, tinamad na..

@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

wow, very realistic set sir canadium!!! I like the mood, perfect render ito! my only comment is the steps, I think you can adjust either the model itself or the ground to touch the last step... thank for the link to the model resource btw...

hehe sensya na po about the stairs, kung ganun talaga yun, di pa rin ako convinced...

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

dude, ganun talaga ung stair nya, na try ko din kase i render to sa max, kaso na corrupt ung files ko, di ko na inulit, tinamad na..

@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

baket naman tinamad ka dude, sayang naman....

malamang nakalimutan din nung nagmodel yung isang step na yun...kase halata e.
palagay ko lang....

napansin din ni dude marcelioni eh...

anu ba talaga dude canadium?

mga dudes di mali yang Farnsworth..........mali lang kami ng pag set-out....

http://latechaias.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/happy-thanksgiving/

torvicz wrote:

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

dude, ganun talaga ung stair nya, na try ko din kase i render to sa max, kaso na corrupt ung files ko, di ko na inulit, tinamad na..

@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

baket naman tinamad ka dude, sayang naman....

malamang nakalimutan din nung nagmodel yung isang step na yun...kase halata e.
palagay ko lang....

napansin din ni dude marcelioni eh...

anu ba talaga dude canadium?

I think the model is correct dude, kulang talaga ng isang step yan, and design intent ata din yan..

Thats correct, 4 steps. See the the real photo at Galaites link given. The issue here is the ground is lower compared to reality. May mga leaves aground din duon sa real photo kaya medyo malapit ang step.

hehe sabi ko din, the model is quite high... it should at least look like it touches the ground, or at least one step higher only.

thanks for the reference sir galaites, that clarifies it.

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

dude, ganun talaga ung stair nya, na try ko din kase i render to sa max, kaso na corrupt ung files ko, di ko na inulit, tinamad na..

@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

baket naman tinamad ka dude, sayang naman....

malamang nakalimutan din nung nagmodel yung isang step na yun...kase halata e.
palagay ko lang....

napansin din ni dude marcelioni eh...

anu ba talaga dude canadium?

I think the model is correct dude, kulang talaga ng isang step yan, and design intent ata din yan..

klaro na dude, mataas lang ung structure...

di ko pa kase nakita ung photo ng house kaya I assumed na kulang ng steps, pero apat lang talaga, so that means mataas ung structure nya....

torvicz wrote:

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:

ERICK wrote:

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

dude, ganun talaga ung stair nya, na try ko din kase i render to sa max, kaso na corrupt ung files ko, di ko na inulit, tinamad na..

@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

baket naman tinamad ka dude, sayang naman....

malamang nakalimutan din nung nagmodel yung isang step na yun...kase halata e.
palagay ko lang....

napansin din ni dude marcelioni eh...

anu ba talaga dude canadium?

I think the model is correct dude, kulang talaga ng isang step yan, and design intent ata din yan..

klaro na dude, mataas lang ung structure...

di ko pa kase nakita ung photo ng house kaya I assumed na kulang ng steps, pero apat lang talaga, so that means mataas ung structure nya....

yeah right, ang intention kase nyan is dapat may naka umbok na ground part dun sa ilalim ng supposed to be missing stair step... nag magsisilbing step na din...

kurdaps! wrote:Waaaaa...ganda-ganda na! Parang picture Sir....

Keep it coming...

Maraming salamat Sir!

Ernest wrote:Wow!!! Indigo renderer company must by this!!! Awesome shots!!

Thank you Sir!

torvicz wrote:I like the way you progress on this dude, kasama pa ang sharing.

habang tumatagal mas gumaganda ang output.

comment lang sa stair, parang kulang ng isang step.

Maraming salamat Sir! Regarding sa stair, akala ko ay ganun talaga ang design intent. Yung ginamit ko kasing reference image ay yung rendering na ginawa ni Peter Guthrie. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pg/4029721082/sizes/o/in/set-72157622626579436/ . Ngayon ko lang nalaman na hindi pala ganun sa actual.

ERICK wrote:
@ canadium - nice update dude, keep em coming

Thank you Sir.

marcelinoiii wrote:wow, very realistic set sir canadium!!! I like the mood, perfect render ito! my only comment is the steps, I think you can adjust either the model itself or the ground to touch the last step... thank for the link to the model resource btw...

hehe sensya na po about the stairs, kung ganun talaga yun, di pa rin ako convinced...

Thank you Sir. Noong una, duda na rin ako sa mga stairs na yan pero dahil sa reference image na ginamit ko ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/pg/4029721082/sizes/o/in/set-72157622626579436/ ) ay nag assume ako na ganun nga talaga yun.

Galaites07 wrote:mga dudes di mali yang Farnsworth..........mali lang kami ng pag set-out....

http://latechaias.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/happy-thanksgiving/

Thanks Sir sa link. Hindi pala naka overhang itong stair na ito. kailangan pala eh ibaba ko ng kaunti ang house para mag match dyan sa reference picture sa link.

Some more reference images of the Farnsworth house.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/suttonhoo22/166151683/sizes/o/in/set-72157594164224105/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33286718@N06/4018405340/sizes/l/in/set-72157611121399903/

Some updates on the work. These were prepared before I read all the comments regarding the stair. Another batch of renders is still being rendered at the moment. These may be posted tomorrow.

Some notable changes:
1. The only major change I made here is ginawa kong mas mataas ang araw. Doon sa mga na-post ko kahapon ay parang bitin dahil yung bandang itaas lang ng mga puno ang nasisikatan ng araw tapos, the rest of the scene is shaded from sunlight.

2. added some early evening scenes. The light emitters inside the lamps are disabled to save on render time.

Sabi ko na nuon pa eh, INDIGO ROCKS!!!!!