Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings)

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I would like to start a WIP on how to make photorealistic architectural visualizations using any available techniques imaginable. There are a couple of works I had seen that are very hard to distinguish from actual photos. Making these renders to look so believable has already become an art in itself.

I chose the Farnsworth house because there are a lot of very nice renders of it and photographs to compare with. The model of the house I am using was made by Peter Guthrie and it can be downloaded from his blog. My heartfelt thanks to him for sharing such a wonderful detailed model. He made a number of very realistic visualizations using the same model.

At the moment I'm using Sketchup, indigo renderer, GIMP and Motiva Real Camera. I maybe switching to other software packages if necessary.

Some initial renderings, I prepared yesterday:

I was not able to work that much on this WIP the past week. While looking at some of the test renders and post processed renderings done two weeks ago, I decided to post some which I thought before are not worth posting . Since this is a work in progress, it is just right to show how some of the images 'evolved' from time to time.

Before ARCHITHEKTHURA's suggestion of trying out onyx and xfrog trees, I attempted modeling another 3d tree inside sketchup. Yung mga puno sa scenes na ginawa ko before ay halatang gawa sa sketchup kasi mukha silang matigas at 'rigid'. Sinubukan kong magmodel ng puno na more organic ang look. Ito ang dahilan kung bakit wala akong masyadong nagawang mga test scenes / renders during the past week. The model I did still has a lot of problems. The moment I add it to the Farnsworth house file, nag-hahang pc ko at ayaw ng mag-render. Some screen captures of the work and accompanying test renders.

galeng master minodel na

This is a very intensive study you've got sir canadium. renders look very nice too...and very good explanation on your modeling and rendering process.

I have'nt tried onyx and xfrog just yet, although i have some of those on my library already for a very long time.

I also like the idea that you modeled some of the foliage and trees in your scene. I will be looking forward to your updates on this.

akoy wrote:galeng master minodel na

Thank you Sir!

arkiedmund wrote:This is a very intensive study you've got sir canadium. renders look very nice too...and very good explanation on your modeling and rendering process.

I have'nt tried onyx and xfrog just yet, although i have some of those on my library already for a very long time.

I also like the idea that you modeled some of the foliage and trees in your scene. I will be looking forward to your updates on this.

Thank you very much Sir! Nakakuha ako ng mga onyx trees sa net this week lang. I did some test renders and they look really nice. Ang problem nga lang is when the the trees are placed with the house model, sketchup freezes and crashes. This is still one of the problems that need to be fixed.

I re-posted a short tutorial on instancing in sketchup on this thread. This is the explanation on how to make hundreds of thousands copies of a grass plant or hundreds of trees on the scenes without crashing sketchup. There are some limitations though like the model should be made inside sketchup not imported from another 3d modeling app like max and it only works with indigo renderer and kerkythea render.

Para magawa ang exercise na ito kailangan may naka install na sketchup, Skindigo and indigo renderer.
Download skindigo here: http://www.indigorenderer.com/sketchup/
Download indigo here: http://www.indigorenderer.com/download
You also need a 3d tree. You can download the model used on the exercise here: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=af16934c4f7b06ca7b801fdf37c82cf1&prevstart=0


1. Gawing 'component' yung 3d tree. Choose the tree and right click, then choose 'Make component G'. (ang component ang katumbas ng 'block' sa autocad.



2. Bigyan mo ito ng pangalan na tree.



3. Mag model ng isang bagay na hugis punongkahoy sa mismong lugar ng tree component. Ito ang magsisilbing dummy or proxy.



4. Pagkatapos ay gawin mo rin itong component.



5. Bigyan mo ito ng pangalan na tree_dummy. Mahalaga na dapat ang pangalan ng dummy ay nasa unahan nito ang pangalan ng bagay na ipo-proxy nito. Sa halimbawang ito, ang kailangan nating iproxy ay yung tree kaya nasa unahan ng pangalan ng dummy ito. Ang pinakamahalaga ay yung '_dummy' na idudugtong sa pangalan sa huli. Kapag hindi naidagdag ito ay hindi lalabas yung bagay na naka proxy kapag nirerender na.



6. Choose and right click the tree component and choose 'Enable Instancing'. Gawin din ito sa tree_dummy component.




7. Kopyahin at ikalat ang tree_dummy. You can use component spray plugin to speed this task. (equivalent of vray scatter) Maddownload ito dito: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=11746



8. Render in indigo renderer.

ver nice workflow.. i hope ito ang makita ng Vray ... at the moment proxy has not been supported even in the latest vray for sketchup.. although ang vray for max ay suportadu matagal na. lkike waht you have shown us... to panaman ang compatible sa vray. congrats bro. sana mailipat mo ang tutorial mo about sketchup and indigo dun sa tutorial section. kung marami rami ang tutorial mo jan and willing we can even ask bokkins to create a special section for sketchup and indigo.

btw bro.. there is a new fur plugin,.. and its also like proxy... hindi sya gaanong mabigat. ivy, carpet grasses, can be proxied and with use of gravity too. Hinid ko alam kung anung magiging workflow then with instancing with inidgo. but i like the workaround naman pagdating sa vray although hinid pa gaanong pulido talaga ang vray su..

i know you are aregular sketchuaction visitor too anyway here is the link...
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=28092

this was actually made by a japanese programmer

anyway try to look at it. and tell us how it can be complimented with what you have now...

nice techniques,,,

nomeradona wrote:ver nice workflow.. i hope ito ang makita ng Vray ... at the moment proxy has not been supported even in the latest vray for sketchup.. although ang vray for max ay suportadu matagal na. lkike waht you have shown us... to panaman ang compatible sa vray. congrats bro. sana mailipat mo ang tutorial mo about sketchup and indigo dun sa tutorial section. kung marami rami ang tutorial mo jan and willing we can even ask bokkins to create a special section for sketchup and indigo.

Thank you very much Sir! You are right, some of the topics on this thread must be posted on the tutorials section so they are easily accessible. Ngayon ay tagong tago ang mga ito and they are almost impossible to search. Would start re-posting some soon.

nomeradona wrote:btw bro.. there is a new fur plugin,.. and its also like proxy... hindi sya gaanong mabigat. ivy, carpet grasses, can be proxied and with use of gravity too. Hinid ko alam kung anung magiging workflow then with instancing with inidgo. but i like the workaround naman pagdating sa vray although hinid pa gaanong pulido talaga ang vray su..

i know you are aregular sketchuaction visitor too anyway here is the link...
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=28092

this was actually made by a japanese programmer

anyway try to look at it. and tell us how it can be complimented with what you have now...

Thanks a lot for the link! I thought I saw something similar, pero ito na siguro yun. Would love to try this new plugin and test it with instancing too. Will include this one definitely on this archviz study.

Ar_Can_EVSU wrote:nice techniques,,,

Salamat Sir!

May nahagilap akong kopya ng onyx garden suite. Noong una akala ko collection ito ng ibat ibang mga punong kahoy. Hindi pala. Program pala ito na ginagamit sa pagmomodel ng mga halaman. Mula sa isang puno makakagawa ka ng ibat ibang uri nito. may mga settings kang i-aadjust para magbago ang anyo nito. ang namodel na puno ay pwedeng -export sa iba-ibang format, pero ang nakakapanghinayang ay walang sketchup version. so ini-export ko na lang ito as .3ds file then import in sketchup. Ang problem kapag na-import sa SU ay lumolobo ang file size nito. Ang 3mb na .3ds file nagiging 49mb! Sakto ko lng itong ma-import ay nag-fefreeze na ang pc ko at nag-hahang. Pagkatapos ng ilang minutes ay doon ko pa lang pwedeng i-click yung render icon. Nasubukan ko rin na i-load ang model sa mga scenes pero hindi kaya ng pc ko. Kailangan siguro mag upgrade na ako sa 64 bit computing.

Some test renders:

For the meantime, I just reverted back to the old sketchup trees. Dinagdagan ko na lang ang variety ng mga ito at dinamihan ko ang mga bilang sa eksena. The leaf material needs to be fixed. Some have translucency while some have specular. Hindi consistent, that's why they look kinda weird. Some test renders and post processed renders.






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beleive it or not, lahat ng mga rendered images ng farnsworth house na nai-post mula kahapon ay nanggaling lang sa iisang rendered image. sa indigo renderer kasi mayroong feature ito na kung tawagin ay light layers. Bawat ilaw sa scene ay may 'layer' na parang katulad sa autocad. pwede itong i-turn on or off at pwede ring palitan pati kulay nito at brightness. so kung day scene, ay naka on ang sky at sun tapos naka-off naman mga ilaw. Kung cloudy scene naman, naka-on yung sky pero naka-off ang araw. Sa night scene naman ay alam nyo na cguro kung ano yung naka-off at naka-on.

ito yung mga evening versions ng mga na-post ko kahapon. may kasamang scene na naka-on lahat ng mga light layers.

Cool updates sir canadium.I believe may controls sa onyx yung polygons.Thats one good feature of it.Pwede mo pang i reduce yung 49mb.Hindi mo nmn kailangan ng ganun ka detalye.I remember before may nagawa ako nasa mga 12-15mb lng per tree.Actually medyo maganda na nga details nun.
Goodluck sir.Keep posting lng po..

@ ARCHITHEKTHURA - Thanks a lot Sir! Looks like I overlooked that one. At that time, I was just so excited that I may not have noticed it. Will try out that polygon control during export on the next time I export a tree.

I decided to develop and work more on this scene after it got some very positive responses from some forum members at the indigo forums.


Some notable changes on this update.

1. Increased the variety and number of trees on the scene.
2. Fixed the material on the leaves of the trees. All the leaves now are shiny and translucency was reduced.
3. The leaves obstructing the view on the upper right of the image are gone.
4. Increased the reflectivity of the grass material and removed the unusually large blade of grass on the earlier renders.
5. Introduced some tall grasses on the scene.

All images are from only one rendering. The light layers on the render were either turned on or off or brightened or dimmed to simulate the different times of day.

May nakita uli akong mga renders ng Farnsworth house na mental ray ang ginamit na pang render. Idadagdag ko ito sa aking mga reference images na pipilitin kong gayahin or recreate.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?threadid=754315

sir canadium, hanga ako sa effort na ginagawa mo dito.... galing sir..

very nice update.. now i want to try indigo...

berto24 wrote:sir canadium, hanga ako sa effort na ginagawa mo dito.... galing sir..

Thank you very much Sir!

nomeradona wrote:very nice update.. now i want to try indigo...

Maraming salamat Sir! PM me if you have some queries on how to start in indigo render.

Nirender ko uli itong scene na ito.

Mga notable changes:
1. Mas maraming variety ng mga puno ngayon na nakapalibot sa bahay. Dati kasi ay iisang klase lang ito.
2. Mas malaki ang mga puno ngayon and at the same time ay lumiit ang spacing nila. Ito ang attempt ko para magaya ang mga reference photos.
3. Sa old scene ay parang napakalayo ng mga puno, so sa version na ito ay malapit na ang mga ito sa house.
4. Time of day was changed.

Like the previous renders, ang mga series of images dito ay galing sa iisang render uli.

Another set of images that was a re-render of an earlier scene.

Canadium wrote:

this one rocks

Canadium wrote:@ ARCHITHEKTHURA - Thanks a lot Sir! Looks like I overlooked that one. At that time, I was just so excited that I may not have noticed it. Will try out that polygon control during export on the next time I export a tree.

Really cool updates.I like the level of realism especially the last ones. Parang fry and maxwell ang dating.Unbiased. How about rendering time sir?Is it worth it?
About onyx,the polygon control comes right away.You can set the segments while generating the trees and thats really awesome about this plug in. You can control the leaves,barks and trunks segments and there's variety of directions and look.
But the drawback is its uses opacity maps for the leaves.They are not modeled which limits you to add shell modifier for thickness and better sss mat shaders. Anyway thanks for sharing with us. Just keep us posted..