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Post by Canadium Fri May 07, 2010 10:35 pm

I would like to start a WIP on how to make photorealistic architectural visualizations using any available techniques imaginable. There are a couple of works I had seen that are very hard to distinguish from actual photos. Making these renders to look so believable has already become an art in itself.

I chose the Farnsworth house because there are a lot of very nice renders of it and photographs to compare with. The model of the house I am using was made by Peter Guthrie and it can be downloaded from his blog. My heartfelt thanks to him for sharing such a wonderful detailed model. He made a number of very realistic visualizations using the same model.

At the moment I'm using Sketchup, indigo renderer, GIMP and Motiva Real Camera. I maybe switching to other software packages if necessary.

Some initial renderings, I prepared yesterday:
Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth2motiva

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth2d

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth1motiva

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth1h

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth3


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Post by Canadium Fri May 07, 2010 10:36 pm

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Post by Canadium Sat May 08, 2010 5:30 am

Some links to renderings and photos of the Fansworth house. These would be used as references.
http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?9713-3D-Farnsworth-House
http://www.mentalimages.com/gallery/architecture.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pg/sets/72157622626579436/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/suttonhoo22/tags/mies/
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Post by archki_rain Sat May 08, 2010 7:56 am

good evening sir i like your images for the fansworth house...just like to know sir if the grasses and trees are also part of the 3d sketchup that you made with the house like there is a material to create those grasses and vegetation or are those done in photoshop...and is indigo renderer is a better software than vray for sketchup because now im using that software and right now i can't make a presentation as good as those of yours with the indigo render....thanks and good luck.....
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Post by jarul Sat May 08, 2010 7:02 pm

matry nga din yung free model...
salamat po
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Post by Canadium Sat May 08, 2010 7:43 pm

@ archki_rain
Thanks Sir! Ang grass and trees sa scene are all 3d models. It may look impossible to do in sketchup because with all those 3d models it would definitely crash. But there is a method I'm using to scatter thousands or even millions of objects in a scene without crashing sketchup. It is called instancing. Information about this method can be found here: http://www.cgpinoy.org/environment-landscaping-f50/massive-environments-in-sketchup-t11267.htm

Right now I cannot say if Indigo is better than VRay. Both are capable of producing really good images. Since I used both software, the only difference between them is that the default settings in indigo are already set at high quality. So when I click the render icon, it will produce the same quality of renders seen here.
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Post by Canadium Sat May 08, 2010 7:53 pm

@ jarul
Maganda at high quality yung model. Sa tingin ko mas high quality siya kaysa sa GH house.
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Post by ortzak Sat May 08, 2010 9:21 pm

nice start bro..ganda pala ng indigo ngayn..hope to see more progress soon!!
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Post by Galaites07 Sun May 09, 2010 2:01 am

wow....mukhang gamay mo na ang Indigo...first time ko nakita result sa Ronen GH challenge and ikaw yung second na best user keep it up bro.

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Post by Canadium Sun May 09, 2010 1:28 pm

ortzak wrote:nice start bro..ganda pala ng indigo ngayn..hope to see more progress soon!!
Thanks Sir!

Galaites07 wrote:wow....mukhang gamay mo na ang Indigo...first time ko nakita result sa Ronen GH challenge and ikaw yung second na best user keep it up bro.
Salamat Sir! Hindi pa naman masyado, I am still in the process of learning the pasikotsikot of this software.
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Post by rangalua Sun May 09, 2010 1:34 pm

This is promising sir
Looks real...
Can't wait the final renders bro...
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Post by Canadium Sun May 09, 2010 9:12 pm

@rangalua - Maraming salamat Sir!

Kanina nagpractice ako ng post production using Picassa photo editor. Nakikita ko kasi na parang medyo blurred or sinasadyang gawing blurred yung ibang renders ng mga masters. Tapos yung iba naman sobrang linaw. Di ko alam kung alin yung dapat na gawin kaya ginawa ko pareho para makita ang resulta.

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth2b

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Post by jarul Sun May 09, 2010 9:14 pm

nice update,,,niluluto ko pa yung version ko,,heehe
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Post by Canadium Sun May 09, 2010 10:20 pm

@ jarul - Thanks Sir! Si ME_nesperos_27 gagawa rin ng rendering nitong Fansworth house.
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Post by Valiant Mon May 10, 2010 10:46 am

ang bangis. great contrast. parang totoo sir. ask ko lang kung ganun ba talaga ung stair? nakahang sya?
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Post by Larj'e Mon May 10, 2010 10:54 am

Canadium wrote:@ archki_rain
Thanks Sir! Ang grass and trees sa scene are all 3d models. It may look impossible to do in sketchup because with all those 3d models it would definitely crash. But there is a method I'm using to scatter thousands or even millions of objects in a scene without crashing sketchup. It is called instancing. Information about this method can be found here: http://www.cgpinoy.org/environment-landscaping-f50/massive-environments-in-sketchup-t11267.htm

Right now I cannot say if Indigo is better than VRay. Both are capable of producing really good images. Since I used both software, the only difference between them is that the default settings in indigo are already set at high quality. So when I click the render icon, it will produce the same quality of renders seen here.

Sir,

Very interesting at promising yung technique na "instancing". Ito po ba ay set-up sa modelling stage o setting to na gagawin mo sa rendering na? and will this work for indigo lang? Thanks sir!
Sana maka-gawa ka ng tutorial nito.
Napakagaling! 2thumbsup
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Post by Galaites07 Tue May 11, 2010 1:24 am

update mo na yang fansworth house na yan....night scene din mas maganda.

na-download ko na rin ung model. thanks for the info.

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Post by Larj'e Tue May 11, 2010 1:51 am

Sir Canadium,

Wow! thanks for the info. Made me so excited!
I think I need Indigo as an alternative rendering plugin. Oops! Will SU allow multi-rendering plugin (say Vray and Indigo installed at the same time?)

Thanks for your time.
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Post by Canadium Tue May 11, 2010 8:43 pm

Galaites07 wrote:update mo na yang fansworth house na yan....night scene din mas maganda.

na-download ko na rin ung model. thanks for the info.

You're welcome Sir! I'll be uploading some evening scenes of the Fansworth house shortly.

Larj'e wrote:Sir Canadium,

Wow! thanks for the info. Made me so excited!
I think I need Indigo as an alternative rendering plugin. Oops! Will SU allow multi-rendering plugin (say Vray and Indigo installed at the same time?)

Thanks for your time.

Naku, Buti na na lang naitanong mo. Nakalimutan ko. Meron kasing 'issue' kapag na-install yung indigo sa sketchup na may vray. Nagloko yung vray ko pagkatapos ko install yung indigo. Anyway pinabayaan ko lang naman, kasi 30 days trial lang yung vray ko. Ang maganda siguro kung meron kang extra pc, doon mo na lang install indigo para pag-aralan.
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Post by Canadium Tue May 11, 2010 10:12 pm

Some updates on the progress of work.

I am still looking for the right furniture inside that must match the reference images I have of the house. I have some trouble looking for free 3d models of those furnishings. So instead of wasting my time looking, I just decided for the meantime to just use ordinary stuff to throw inside. I just used some chairs and tables I got from the GH House model I downloaded and some free stuff from the google 3d warehouse.

On this set, I made some evening and early morning scenes.

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth5e

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth5g

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworthearlymorning

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth6b

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Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth6e
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Post by Larj'e Tue May 11, 2010 11:59 pm

I am assuming you are using the free version of Indigo kasi may logo stamp parin. Do you think if license version sya you can get a sharper and cleaner renders? kasi most of the output na nakita ko eh medyo grainy ang images.
How about for interior renders, is Indigo capable of going at par with Vray?

Salamat sir. Pasensya na. Na-spark talaga interest ko sa Indigo, marahil dahil sa instancing heheheh.
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Post by jarul Wed May 12, 2010 12:07 am

nice..galing po ng update,,
medyo noisy nga lang po..lalo na yung night scene..
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Post by cloud20 Wed May 12, 2010 5:58 am

Magaganda po sir Cajun;


edit po natin ang title nakakahiya sa pinagkuhanan natin...
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Post by Canadium Wed May 12, 2010 10:22 pm

Larj'e wrote:I am assuming you are using the free version of Indigo kasi may logo stamp parin. Do you think if license version sya you can get a sharper and cleaner renders? kasi most of the output na nakita ko eh medyo grainy ang images.
How about for interior renders, is Indigo capable of going at par with Vray?

Salamat sir. Pasensya na. Na-spark talaga interest ko sa Indigo, marahil dahil sa instancing heheheh.

Yes Sir, free version lang ang gamit ko. Hindi pa talaga ako convinced na kailangan kong bilhin ito.

Yung mga noisy/grainy images are the results of low light settings or of a rendering done quickly. Ibang method kasi ang pagrender ng indigo. It will keep on rendering until all image noise is cancelled out. This may take several minutes or hours or even days depending on the lights on the scene. Ang mga exterior daytime scenes ang pinakamabilis irender while night scenes are the longest to render. Pero kung ang image ay pwede na pagtiyagahan (katulad ng mga na-post ko), ini-istop ko na yung render.

Sa tingin ko parang mahina yung indigo sa interior. Sa gallery nila wala ako masyadong nakikitang magagandang interiors. Pero pwede rin ito sa ganitong rendering. May mga ipo-post ako dito. Salamat Sir.


jarul wrote:nice..galing po ng update,,
medyo noisy nga lang po..lalo na yung night scene..

Salamat Sir! Mahina ang indigo sa mga low light settings. Sometimes frustrating itong gamitin lalo na wala itong mga settings na pwedeng i-adjust tulad ng noise threshold.


cloud20 wrote:Magaganda po sir Cajun;


edit po natin ang title nakakahiya sa pinagkuhanan natin...

Thank you Sir! Hindi ko naisip yun. Napalitan ko na yung title. Grabe nakatawid lang ako ng dagat nalimutan ko na yun.
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Post by Canadium Wed May 12, 2010 10:34 pm

Some interior test scenes with sunny and cloudy skies. Some evening scenes will follow later. Ni-rerender ko pa.

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth4h

Arch Viz Study - The Farnsworth House (Updates with settings) Fansworth4d

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