English Scaling help............

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Mga sir hingi po sana ako ng tulong on how to determine and use the english systemsa cad..
hindi ko po kasi malaman kung anong scale tong nasa image na to....
bale gagawin ko po yung roofplan.elevations and section nyan...gawa na po yun floor plan niraster ko nlang..
Sir ano ba scale nito and what english scale ang gagamitin ko for the other architectural plans?......
nasa 579x800 po yung size ng image..

kietsmark wrote:about sa scaling bro... you can try this... please correct me if i am wrong...

1. go to paperspace > TM enter then type "0" or click the layout button na lang hehehe
2. type "MS" enter >>> to activate modelspace in paperspace then type "Z" then enter >>> type 10/700xp then enter
3. the logic is... 10/10xp will give you 1:1 printout so 10/100xp is 1:10, 10/200 is 1:20, and so on...

i will check din ung working drawings ko sa bahay to confirm this... dati kasi english system ang gamit ko sa previous work ko... i hope makatulong...

to add.....just activate the viewport toolbar. pagcreate mo ng viewport sa paperspcae, makikita mo kaagad sa viewport toolbar kung anong scale ng viewport ang need mo..

kietsmark wrote:@ishae
yan na rin un bro...
in order for you to test kung tama ung scaling na binigay ko...
1. go to dimension style then enable mo ung display alternate units sa "alternate units tab"
2. create a rectangle muna say 5'x5' then plot mo by using 10/500xp (1:50) or kung ano ung gusto mo scale mo kung tama sa 1:50

@sir kietmark
ok sir try ko yung sabi nyu...follow ko yung sinbi nyu
natry ko na yung first...test scale ko is 10/700xp..lumiit naman sir?ok lang ba yun?

@ishae
paanong lumiit? i tried it din dito and print it tapos scale ko to check ok naman...

kietsmark wrote:@ishae
paanong lumiit? i tried it din dito and print it tapos scale ko to check ok naman...

ah dapat ba sir iprint ko...sory sir kasi yung nasa layout1 tab nung ginagwa ko ung ininstruct nyo is lummiit sya nasa center ng layout ..so ok lang yun sir.....sa printing k lang makikita if tama yung scaling na ginawa ko...

@ishae
ic... bale ang gawin mo ay zoom extent mo muna ulit sa paperspace then command zoom then 10/700xp then enter... kaya sabi ko 10/500 kasi baka walang 1:70 ung triangular scale mo hindi mo macheck hehehe hindi sya kasi dapat liliit ng todo e...

render master wrote:

kietsmark wrote:about sa scaling bro... you can try this... please correct me if i am wrong...

1. go to paperspace > TM enter then type "0" or click the layout button na lang hehehe
2. type "MS" enter >>> to activate modelspace in paperspace then type "Z" then enter >>> type 10/700xp then enter
3. the logic is... 10/10xp will give you 1:1 printout so 10/100xp is 1:10, 10/200 is 1:20, and so on...

i will check din ung working drawings ko sa bahay to confirm this... dati kasi english system ang gamit ko sa previous work ko... i hope makatulong...

to add.....just activate the viewport toolbar. pagcreate mo ng viewport sa paperspcae, makikita mo kaagad sa viewport toolbar kung anong scale ng viewport ang need mo..

pasensya na sir,,,hindi po tinuturo sa min ng prof namin sa cad...panay self learning lang ginagwa namin kaya most of us is pahirapan sa pagaaral ng cad....mas madami pa nga akong natutunan dito sa cgp kesa subject namin yun..
ang instruction lang nya kasi samin lagi is fit to paper...which is yung 8.5x13 na bond paper kaya ang ginagaw ko is gingawa ko yung drawing in 1:1 scale then scale ko para kumasya sa papel..try and try lang ginagwa until makuha ko yung scale na target ko..then overide ko yung sukat para parehas sa binigay nyang problem....
sir meron bang tutorial on how to scale in viewport dito sa cgp?

@ishae
napakaswerte naman ng instructor nyo kung totoo sinasabi mo bro...

kietsmark wrote:@ishae
napakaswerte naman ng instructor nyo kung totoo sinasabi mo bro...

hehehe ang principle nya kasi sir is nasaamin ang responsibility to teach ourself....tama nga naman sya dun kaso sana magturo din sya tulad nun how to print to scale na yun or something like that..panisin ko nga lang tuwing yun ang subject ko is ang role lang nya is to give a plate and conduct exam....yung mga nkatapos nga ng cad sa kanya pansin nila na pinpahirapan daw yung batch namin....ewan ko kasi dun sa ibang kaklase ko ..patawa tawa sila dun eh nainsulto ata yung prof ko...kaya ganun ang gaingawa nya samin...
tsk tsk tsk kaya nga rin nagstart na ko magaral ng 3d cad by my own kasi sigurado akong mas mahihirapan kami dun..

bro. pagtiagaan nyo na lang si sir Macho Gwafito. hindi tlga nagtuturo yan. dalhin mu laptop mu minsan ta share share tau ng alam natin..

virus wrote:bro. pagtiagaan nyo na lang si sir Macho Gwafito. hindi tlga nagtuturo yan. dalhin mu laptop mu minsan ta share share tau ng alam natin..

hehehheh sige sir....paturo sana ako sayu eh alam kong busy ka din ....review muna ko ng prof prac....delikado kasi sir..hehehe

oo nga pala.. set B kau.. mas madali ang set A. hehehe.. goodluck bro..

virus wrote:oo nga pala.. set B kau.. mas madali ang set A. hehehe.. goodluck bro..

tsk tsk kaya nga eh..papasok palng ako ng rum nagsisilabasan na yung iba..tsk tsk doble kayud s aral....

ishae_clanx wrote:

kietsmark wrote:@ishae
napakaswerte naman ng instructor nyo kung totoo sinasabi mo bro...

hehehe ang principle nya kasi sir is nasaamin ang responsibility to teach ourself....tama nga naman sya dun kaso sana magturo din sya tulad nun how to print to scale na yun or something like that..panisin ko nga lang tuwing yun ang subject ko is ang role lang nya is to give a plate and conduct exam....yung mga nkatapos nga ng cad sa kanya pansin nila na pinpahirapan daw yung batch namin....ewan ko kasi dun sa ibang kaklase ko ..patawa tawa sila dun eh nainsulto ata yung prof ko...kaya ganun ang gaingawa nya samin...
tsk tsk tsk kaya nga rin nagstart na ko magaral ng 3d cad by my own kasi sigurado akong mas mahihirapan kami dun..

parang may mali... kung ganun talaga sya e pagtatawanan sya lalo na sa school na pinanggalingan ko and hindi sya tatagal ng isang sem hehehe mas mabuti pa sa kanya si google... ung ibabayad ko sa kanya e-rent ko na lang ng internet shop mas marami pa kong matutunan

My take on this...
If your Cad default dimension is using "metric system" you need to change it to "English System - Architectural" first before you start drawing... 2 kelangan i-change...
Heres how to do it...
1. Go to > Format > Units > Units... > Drawing Units > Lenght: Type - Architectural - Precision = 1/16" > click OK...

Now, we will setup the "unit" for dimension style:
2. Go to > Format > Dimension Style > Style = (ex. Standard) > Modify > Primary Units > Unit Format = Architectural,
Precision = 1/16" > OK

Then you can start your drawing, dimensions etc...

Heres how to setup scale:
1. Go to Layout Page and do Page Setup according to the printer and the paper you'll gonna use...
2. Draw your title block, or just paste it kung meron kana na-prepare, resize it to fit your paper...
3. Create ka ng viewport dito kana mag-scale ng drawing mo... maraming ways kung paano gawin eto... (i hope alam mo gamitin eto)
heres one way: Type "vports" > single > OK > then pick ka ng 2 points sa paper mo to create the rectangular viewport...
To change the scale your viewport is using, Click the viewport you just made, then Right click > Object Properties > Standard Scale (here you specify the scale you want to use) you might do some trial and error here para ma-fit mo ng maayos yung drawing mo sa viewport....
Hope makatulong eto...

render master wrote:

ishae_clanx wrote:salamat render master...nagabala pa kayu....great help.....problema ko lang sir kung anong ilalagay kong scale nya...updat ko nalng once nagawa yung sugestion ni sir kietsmark........

eto yan sir, i bet you know how to scale in viewport

Hi master, i'm wondering why you use 1:70 scale?
For practical reasons we shouldn't use such irregular scale... we usually follow the standard transition nung scale
•1:1, 1:10
•1:2, 1:20
•1:5, 1:50
•1:100, 1:200
•1:500, 1:1000
•1:1250, 1:2500

Reason is, pag may nakaligtaan kang dimension or kulang sa dimension yung drawing mo mahihirapan yung site people to pull dimension on a drawing na 1:70 scale... wala naman kase silang scale ruler, and besides wala rin eto sa scale ruler at kahit na may scale ruler hirap pa rin gamitin 1:70 scale... sa site kase usually yung steel measuring tape, yun na rin ginagamit nilang pang scale ng drawing...

silvercrown wrote:My take on this...
If your Cad default dimension is using "metric system" you need to change it to "English System - Architectural" first before you start drawing... 2 kelangan i-change...
Heres how to do it...
1. Go to > Format > Units > Units... > Drawing Units > Lenght: Type - Architectural - Precision = 1/16" > click OK...

Now, we will setup the "unit" for dimension style:
2. Go to > Format > Dimension Style > Style = (ex. Standard) > Modify > Primary Units > Unit Format = Architectural,
Precision = 1/16" > OK

Then you can start your drawing, dimensions etc...

Heres how to setup scale:
1. Go to Layout Page and do Page Setup according to the printer and the paper you'll gonna use...
2. Draw your title block, or just paste it kung meron kana na-prepare, resize it to fit your paper...
3. Create ka ng viewport dito kana mag-scale ng drawing mo... maraming ways kung paano gawin eto... (i hope alam mo gamitin eto)
heres one way: Type "vports" > single > OK > then pick ka ng 2 points sa paper mo to create the rectangular viewport...
To change the scale your viewport is using, Click the viewport you just made, then Right click > Object Properties > Standard Scale (here you specify the scale you want to use) you might do some trial and error here para ma-fit mo ng maayos yung drawing mo sa viewport....
Hope makatulong eto...

ayun eh nasapol.....maraming salamat sir silvercrown...mas naelaborate nyu ng husto,,,,,maraming salamat talga sa tutorial nyu.....
yung 1:70 na yun sir is just an example of sir rendermaster is yung nakalagay dun sa scanned image nung schem ng exam namin...i dont know on what scale kasi ang gagamitin ko sa i tried to convert the measurements to metric then hinanap ko yung scale na appropriate para dun sa drawing space...ang naging problema ko lang dun eh is kung ano yung equivalent ng 1:70 na scale sa english...thats why nagpost sila sir kietsmark on how to scale using viewport....
i will deal with problem as soon as i finish my exam this afternoon....
salamat sir sa pagdaan at sa tutorial!

@ silvercrown

Its just a representation, base on the requirements of thread starters needs.

render master wrote:@ silvercrown

Its just a representation, base on the requirements of thread starters needs.

Ah ok sir thanks for the clarification

ishae_clanx wrote:
ayun eh nasapol.....maraming salamat sir silvercrown...mas naelaborate nyu ng husto,,,,,maraming salamat talga sa tutorial nyu.....
yung 1:70 na yun sir is just an example of sir rendermaster is yung nakalagay dun sa scanned image nung schem ng exam namin...i dont know on what scale kasi ang gagamitin ko sa i tried to convert the measurements to metric then hinanap ko yung scale na appropriate para dun sa drawing space...ang naging problema ko lang dun eh is kung ano yung equivalent ng 1:70 na scale sa english...thats why nagpost sila sir kietsmark on how to scale using viewport....
i will deal with problem as soon as i finish my exam this afternoon....
salamat sir sa pagdaan at sa tutorial!

You're welcome... another tip on viewport u can make any object as long na closed polyline sya into a viewport... like circle, triangle, any shape... usually ginagawa natin eto kung may hina-highlight or ini-enlarge tayong detail