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A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ..

Professor : You are Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son .. . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat.
But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold.
Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and it's called Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavour,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


NB:

I believe you have enjoyed the Conversation . . . and if so . . .
You'll probably want your Friends / Colleagues to enjoy the same . . . won't you?
Forward them to Increase their Knowledge . . . or FAITH.
That student was Albert Einstein!

Hmmmmmm... A point to ponder; Christians & Muslims have the same patriarch... Abraham... Correct me if I'm wrong...

tawaqqul: well said. that is a great explanation and I equally applaud you. I also agree that a man without religion lives a life in darkness. Salamat po kaibigan for enlighting us.

Cloud20: As far as I know (which might be wrong) yeah they somehow have the same patriach.

Religion is a heavy topic, there are a lot of gray areas, but still each religion holds on a basic truth, Faith is the way to salvation which can only be attained by an individual. No matter what your religion is, if you put your faith in God (Allah) then you will be saved.

Great topic guys!

tawaqqul wrote:Kumusta po mga Bro at sis....pasensya na po ngayon ko lang nakita ang topic na ito...Isa akong Muslim at nabasa kong lahat ang napag usapan dito. Natagal ko nang gustong pag usapan ito dito...at para sa aming mga Muslim ,,, Sinabi ng Allah (ng Diyos na makapangyarihan sa lahat) Ang lahat ng kasalanan ay mapapatawad ko...maliban lamang sa Isa (ang pagsamba sa mga diyos diyosan maliban sa Allah)..sinabi rin ng Allah na ang pananampalataya ay likas ("Fitrah" sa arabic) lika at banal na pagsunod sa kalooban ng Diyos...kami po ay naniniwala sa lahat ng Propeta ng pantay pantay at walang dapat itangi...kung babalikan lang po natin ang mga istorya at kwento ng buhay ng mga propetang nagdaan,,,lahat po sila ay iisa ang mensahe....ang kilalanin at sumunod sa kautusan ng nag iisang Diyos at tagapaglikha...Sir Austria good day po...hindi po ako nakikipag debate, ipinaliliwanag ko lang po ang aking nalalaman tungkol sa relihiyon...sapagka't nabasa ko rin po ang Bibliya noong ako ay kristiyano pa...pero ngayon na Muslin na ako Alhamdulillah...mas marami pa akong nalaman na katotohanan na hindi ko nalaman noong ako ay hindi pa muslim... Aminado po ako... dati malaking katanungan din sa akin relihiyon kung kaya't nagbasa ako ng Bibliya...Totoo po hindi bilang Muslim, hindi po kami naniniwala na si Jesus ay Diyos, bagkus naniniwala po kami na si Jesus ay isang dakilang Propeta ng Diyos (Allah)...at hindi po kami naniniwala na si Jesus ay ipinako sa krus, ginagalang po namin si Jesus kung kaya't ayaw namin na may nagsasalita ng hindi totoo tungkol sa buhay niya...sa katotohanan po mas marami pa akong natutunan ngayon sa buhay ni jesus kaysa noong kristiyano pa ako...at correction lang po...Hindi po Jesus ang pangalan niya...noon pong panahon na iyon ay wala pa pong mga pangalan katulad nito Jesus, Joseph, Peter, John,Jude.....at yung pangalan po ni Pablo ay hindi pablo..(Siya po ay si Saul na isang Hudyo at hunter ng mga Kristiyano....paalala lang po kung gusto nating malaman ang ibang katotohanan...dadagan po natin ang ating pagsusumikap....bibliya rin po ang nagsabi... seek the truth and the truth will set you free....Sa bibiliya rin po nabanggit ang pangalan ng Diyos...(noong si Jesus ay nakapako sa Krus...diba may binanggit siya na pangalan kung saan siya nananalangin....sabi niya (Elli, Elli lama sabactani) may mga pagkakataon din sa bibliya na binanggit ang pangalan ng Diyos bilang Elloihim , Elloi ang mga kataga pong ito ay mga semitic languages na Aramaic, Hebrew at arabic at iisa lang po ang ibig sabihin nito....Diyos na makapangyarihang sa lahat...kaya't bilang mga Muslim katulad ng mga naunang mga Propeta at katulad ni Jesus kami po ay sumasamba, sumusuko at tumatalima lamang sa iisang tagapalikha...sa Islam po walang sapilitan sa pananampalataya katungkulan po namin bilang mga Muslim na ipaliwanag ang kautusan ng Allah (Nag iisang diyos) ng walang bayad di po kami tumatanggap ng anumang kapalit sa pagtupad sa aming katungkulang...kung meron pong ibang katanungan, bukas po ako sa pakikipag usap at pagpapaliwag tungkol sa relihiyon....
Importante po ang relihiyon sapagkat ang taong walang relihiyon at laging nabubuhay sa landas ng kadiliman...Salamat po mabuhay po tayong lahat dito sa cgp...

Sir tawaqqul In the name of the lord good day po at sayo din Sir eyecon i think its time na ikaw naman dito eh galing mo rin magpaliwanag...pati na rin sa inyo mga cgpips mabuhay kayo...Walang hahantungan ang usapang ito kundi sa Debate lang sir...I respect muslim religion kaya nga one time may nagtanong dito bout your faith di ako nag comment mahirap na. Since you
open the door for me and you said na walang debate i respeto ko yan. Actually lahat ng sinabi mo bout bible is true, Si Pablo ay si Pablo na dating saul ang name niya kasi anti christian pa siya.Ang bibliya kasi kahit basahin mo siya ng pabaliktad consistent kasi ang sinasabi ng Diyos from Genesis to Rev. so dapat po lahat paniniwalaan natin di lang yun kapirasong nakatala sa bibliya kung hindi magiging sinungaling ang Diyos...Genesis pa lang di ba sinabi ng diyos kay satanas na "may isang tao na dudurog sa ulo mo" sino ba yun sa tingin natin si Jesus di ba?. By this quote alam mo na agad ang simula at wakas eh..na si kristo ang dudurog sa ulo ni satanas na kailangan na ang siya ay mamatay sa kalbaryo at mabuhay namang muli pagkatapos ng 3 araw para ipakita sa lahat na siya ay diyos na handang mamatay para sa kasalanan natin (Ganun niya tayo kamahal).Kasi kung hindi siya mamamatay walang kwenta ang pagbaba niya dito sa lupa.Ganun lang po ka simple yun so if you believe Genesis kailangan hanggang Rev maniwala tayo kasi di naman nag pa puzzle si God kung ano mangyayari sa huli pag sinabi niya yun ang mangyayari sa Una yun din sa huli consistent po yun... Sa tutuusin lang di naman mahirap intindihin ang bibliya eh tama ka po the truth will set you free kaya dapat ikaw mismo ang
magtuklas nun sa sarili. Sabi nga niya sa John Im the "Door" ang sinuman ang kumatok ay pagbubuksan ko.
Kaya dapat manalangin tayo sa kanya para malaman natin ang katotohanan..amen

(Paalala lang po usapan lang walang DEBATE at Pikonan dito or else masasara ang thread na to,,God bless us all)

Reminder lang po, respect lang to everyone, this means, me kanya kanya tayong paniniwala. To each his own - wag po sana tayong umabot sa point na we seem to be pushing our beliefs to another person.

PEACE.

mushroom wrote:Reminder lang po, respect lang to everyone, this means, me kanya kanya tayong paniniwala. To each his own - wag po sana tayong umabot sa point na we seem to be pushing our beliefs to another person.

PEACE.

I second this... although this is a very clean explanation of our beliefs and on how strongly we feel, this might not be the perfect forum for such a conversation. I admire both AUSTRIA and tawaqqul's points but if we continue, this might just end up into a debate. For now suspend muna natin ang views natin. Let us remember that what we believe in is a personal thing. I know there is an urge to share but there are proper ways to do that. I'm sorry if I may sound like a wet blanket but thats just what it is.Peace

eyecon01 wrote:

mushroom wrote:Reminder lang po, respect lang to everyone, this means, me kanya kanya tayong paniniwala. To each his own - wag po sana tayong umabot sa point na we seem to be pushing our beliefs to another person.

PEACE.

I second this... although this is a very clean explanation of our beliefs and on how strongly we feel, this might not be the perfect forum for such a conversation. I admire both AUSTRIA and tawaqqul's points but if we continue, this might just end up into a debate. For now suspend muna natin ang views natin. Let us remember that what we believe in is a personal thing. I know there is an urge to share but there are proper ways to do that. I'm sorry if I may sound like a wet blanket but thats just what it is.Peace

I'm one of Moderator here kaya di siguro tama na ako magsara ng thread its unfair naman di ba? So if you feel na kailangan
na isara calling calling moderator there!!!!!!! Well nice chattin with you guys nagpapasalamat ako kasi wala naman nagpikonan kasi maayos naman yung pag uusap hehehe.....God Bless us all

medyo mahaba-haba na itong thread at medyo lumilihis na rin sa topic. since nailabas na rin ang kanya-kanyang mga pananaw, igalang nalang natin. ang debate tungkol sa relihiyon o paniniwala ay walang hahantungan kaya mabuti pa ay IRESPETO nalang natin ang bawa't isa.

locking this thread for now (si big boss nalang bahala kung anu man).