Rendering Preferences?

Normally ang preference ng clients (especially developers and property owners) are close to realistic, photographic renders. This is true because unlike designers (architects / interior designers) mas gusto ng layperson ang what you see is what you get approach.

However certain architects seem to have different preferences. There are some who demand an airbrush effect much like the ones produced in China (predominantly photoshop) and there are some who bother more on the entourage, RPCs, rather than the rendering of the space itself. I tend to lean towards the GI approach because WYSIWYG siya, but the scanline / extensive photoshop effect is full of loopholes - it's very subjective (for example - gusto ng client ng glass, pero not so reflective and not so transparent.. finding the balance is quite a challenge in this manner, etc etc)

Ang direction ng group namin is really geared towards the future visualization and that is extensive use of GI.

The question though is - as a CG artist / architect would you be leaning more towards the "traditional" look or the "realistic" effect?

Thanks guys, need the opinion of the community on this.

While personally I prefer the ultra photorealistic style renderings, at times, a certain color of a piece of furniture or carpet can have a negative effect with particular clients. They can get so caught up with that, that they tend to disregard the rest of the image. At one point, the pm asked to make it a b/w rendering just to bypass that issue.

Sometimes, the architecture hasn’t even been completely designed yet, but they ask to catch the spirit of the place, that’s where the art of entourage placement comes in handy – Smoothe over in the UK does that very well.

I’ve also had clients where they just want it to look more like a technical illustration (when doing design viz work, never say “cartoon” in front of a client! They don’t want to feel like they’re paying thousands of dollars for a “cartoon”)…sometimes having too much realistic details in the image or “finished” looking images can take away from the design process. Having just enough information there during the meeting is also good sometimes…then later on, you can blow them away with the photo-real magic.

I recommend being a CG generalist, practicing and being able to do various styles of renderings will make you more marketable in your career.

Para sakin bos dun ako sa photoreal render. Although hindi ako architect, parang mas ok kasi pag close to the real thing na yung papakita sa mga clients para alam nila kung anu expect nila for the final work done. Para makita na rin nila kung anung klaseng materials gagamitin and probably make adjustments na rin.

Photorealism is the best para sakin. Manghang mangha ako talaga pag close to the real thing ang output. It's like every cg artist's dream.

But on the other hand. Stylized rendering has a very big impact on the design. I also believe that it's faster to produce and can take a lot of optimization(simply by substituting stuffs that are heavy to render and intensive photoshop post prod)

Traditional scanline+photoshop style is also good but it's like a Chinese brand already, The more we do away with it the better. Although ganun pa din nangyayari minsan sa akin. haha!

rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

glensky wrote:rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

exactly... it is encumbent then upon the architect/artist to be able to deliver on the clients' preference...

cloud20 wrote:

glensky wrote:rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

exactly... it is encumbent then upon the architect/artist to be able to deliver on the clients' preference...

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glensky wrote:

cloud20 wrote:

glensky wrote:rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

exactly... it is encumbent then upon the architect/artist to be able to deliver on the clients' preference...

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LoL...I second that.

glensky wrote:rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

+10

Pra s akin depende s structure n gagawin. It depends also how the artist/ architect see the things. Kc mga master
may nkikita din kc ako n n gawa s Photoreal at Scanline lng n isang subject lng pero mas na appreciate ko ung scanline+pshop lng eh.
Papaano futuristic ung subject so mas astig nya npakita s scanline lng unlike s photoreal msagwa. so depende un s artist at dun tlga lumalabas ang pagka artist ng isang tao photoreal man o hindi...

photorealistic is the best i think...kung halos yun na yung kalalabasan ng design..i also agree ky glensky!!

Hmmmm..For me I still prefer the old architectural presentation(Wash watercolor effects and sketchy thing). Now a days kse talgang realistic na mga presentations and i prefer realistic presentations kung talgang nag sign off na ang client. But yeah,you guys right.its how the client sees it.

ARCHITHEKTHURA wrote:Hmmmm..For me I still prefer the old architectural presentation(Wash watercolor effects and sketchy thing). Now a days kse talgang realistic na mga presentations and i prefer realistic presentations kung talgang nag sign off na ang client. But yeah,you guys right.its how the client sees it.

I'm with you sir jeff 100%...but in this kind of our field specially here in the Arab World they don't have that kind of visuals same as we have....kaya photorealistic pa rin ang bagsak natin but at the end its good for us

way back before....sketch pa lang nako-close na namin ang project, malaki man o maliit. so for me its how you define a certain project, photorealistic man or artistic ang dating, the important is how your presentation become the medium of understanding on what has to be built.

nsa gumagawa ang diskarte...nasa client ang approval...but you can do what you want and preference/style you want...out of the context ung client pero pagpumasok na ung client eh the client ang masusunod...madali lang naman mapasunod ang client basta maganda at kung un ang napipicture nila ok na un...

i gear towards customized style for every project and client. that is, if i can influence them on my vision. having said that, i'll try to understand what is their marketing/design direction before coming up with a proposal.

Thanks guys it's great to hear everyone's opinions. Kaya ko lang natanong is because we have this unusual client. In general kasi developers are wowed by realistic renders. But this time this particular client demanded something stylized but still looking accurate. In the end it looked more like an airbrush rendering and surprisingly they opted for it after the initial drafts na pure GI.

Cgro we just ended up wasting a lot of time building the model then trying hard to achieve the GI effect when i think minimal 3d lang plus scanline tapos ngconcentrate na lang kmi sa photoshop if this were the case.

Im not leaning towards a particular style, i just wanted to know what u guys prefer as CG artists. Clients wil always have their own take but sometimes we, as artists, have different aesthetic sensibilities. What may be stunning to us doesnt always mean ok sa client.

hmmmmm... add ako; maybe this will depend sa nature ng work natin... if we're "clientcentrric" (architecture) more often than not client ang masusunod... but if we're in the arts, most of the times artist na masusunod...

i think...

In my current work, most of our renders are stylized. We use vray, but we don't crank up the settings, since most of the time it is more of a photoshop work than a rendering application job.

We add lots of entourage to our scene, as this is the company's way of selling it's design to the client, by showing them the feel and experience of the design.

But for personal works, I usually try my best to catch up with the skills of the guys in this community, since, I have no client to please but myself, and my own personal deadline.

glensky wrote:rendering preferrences are dictated by clients,no matter what your style is.phot realistic is good,and as an artist and designer this is e summit of your skill.

Amen...

imho it depends talaga.my former boss (a chinese pinoy) a prominent designer in HK likes to do his presentration in Sketch-Up lang.
He doesnt like Photo-realistic. in some cases nag-photo realism kame if the client needs it pero 80% of our projects were purely sketch-up lang more on architectural inclination daw para sa kanya hehe..

ako gusto ko photorender kaya tambay ako dito!!

my personal preference is photo simulation w/ strong architectural presentation inclination.... but most of the time ung gusto p rin ng boss or client nasusunod...

ako naman experience ko when I work at Dubai before ung panglasa ng amo ko. it really pissed me of sa panglasa niya kasi d niya naappreciate ang photorealistic rendering cartoonist para sa kanya para sa kanya ung photorealistic iyong rendering done with scanline+photoshop as you have said china brand. natatawa na nga lang kami ng chief architect namin na pinoy tapos gagatungan pa ng pesteng visor na indian pana na wala naman alam kundi ang magpanggap.

may mga client na gusto talaga photorealistic. for me photorealistic is the best but dipende din sa sitwasyon like yung dati ko kong tabing guhit british company gusto nya ala morphosis yung rendering 3 object materials lan glass, solid steel, and ground basta makita lan yung shape and architecture for me easy money yun

well iba-iba talaga gusto ng clients, pero for me as a cg artist i prefer photorealistic..it is always my dream