is this cheating?

Magandang araw po.

Di ko alam saan ko ba tong section dapat e-post. about cg naman to kaya dito ata.

May kilala ako na masasabing critiq talaga, kahit anung gawin mo, hahanapan ka talaga ng butas, minsan nakita niya yung isang render ko na interior, na may mga abobot. gaya ng 3d plant, 3d toys, shirt, tapos nung nakita niya, unang sabi. ikaw ba nag-model lahat? so my reply was no. sabi ko yung mga abobot drag and drop nalang. at parang pinapalabas niya na pag hindi ikaw nagmodel ng lahat ibig sabihin hindi matatawag na ikaw yung tunay na gumawa. parang CHEATING lang. in my side, hindi ata practical example isang exterior render na maraming cars, people, trees na ikaw pa mismo ang magmomodel nitong cars etc. lalo na pag deadline mo ay a couple of hours lang. tanung ko,talaga bang cheating tawag dun.

salamat po.

ayos to sir..... para skn po kung para sa client as soon as ung structure purely design mo dpo cheating un... at para sa mga abobot nmn po, kung kaya nya bayaran lahat ng abobot na gus2 nya original design mo po ok un... ngaun kung low budget po at mamadali pa sya eh wag mo nlng lagyan ng abobot.... kung sa mga c & c's nmn po d2 sa cgp be artistic nmn po if ever popost kaw... try mo change ng texture or something strech sa mga abobot mo para ok nmn po .. saka nasa visual mo po un or sa presentation... un lng po... para sau po mga c & c's ng mga master d2 para sa kauunlad at kkganda ng gawa mo po... wait ntn po ssbhn ng mga master... salamat

yung mga gumagamit ng evermotion models na galing kay jack sparrow....

as long as ung main requirements ikaw ung gumawa....on na. pde mo na po ipagmalaki... ung mga abobot.. lahat nman tau pde gumamit nun... pampaganda lang nman sa isang presentaion ung mga un,,, un lang po masasabi ko.. gudluck po...

I think that's a little immature of a thinking. Sino ang gustong magmodel ng paulit ulit ng mga objects and models na meron naman available. Sa visualization naman kasi, what we are creating are images that could help convey an idea. Para mas mabilis maintindihan ng clients at maapreciate nila before it is being done or constructed. Lalo na pag sa architecture ito. Para sakin the discussion is making no sense at all. Lalo na pag presentation ang pinaguusapan. Kung modeling siguro pwede pa.

As we all know, walang pakialam ang client sa modeling, they're always for the output.

based on my experience, clients are not looking for the abubots...they are looking for the proposal..considering that they could visualize the output in future...too see is to get ika nga ng iba,...

makitid ang utak ng taong gagawa ng paulit ulit na model..lalo sa panahon ngaun..very competitive kaya dapat mabilis ang output baka maunahan ka ng iba makapagpresent...

beware of putting abubot like plants etc. because some clients are expecting that what you see in perspective is what they can get...

ngyari na sakin yan kaya dapat minimal lang ang paggamit nito

Evermotion models have their uses. What makes a visualizer better than the other is by the way he matches, coordinates his drags and drops.

Because of the abundancy of the models, it is very difficult to make a signature render because the chances of your render looking like the other will be very high.

Of course there are still people who try to model everything on their own for the purpose of upgrading their skills.

To answer whether you are cheating does not rely on somebody else's thoughts. Ask yourself the same question, and if it indeed served you and your clients' purpose - I'm sure you'll find the honest answer yourself.

A renderer (person not the software) can pump convincing images given objects and scenes to work on. But a real cg artist can do more than that. Choose what you want to be.

our good friend v has answered it all.. nothing can be added pa.

bokkins wrote:I think that's a little immature of a thinking. Sino ang gustong magmodel ng paulit ulit ng mga objects and models na meron naman available. Sa visualization naman kasi, what we are creating are images that could help convey an idea. Para mas mabilis maintindihan ng clients at maapreciate nila before it is being done or constructed. Lalo na pag sa architecture ito. Para sakin the discussion is making no sense at all. Lalo na pag presentation ang pinaguusapan. Kung modeling siguro pwede pa.

As we all know, walang pakialam ang client sa modeling, they're always for the output.

i agree!

v_wrangler wrote:Evermotion models have their uses. What makes a visualizer better than the other is by the way he matches, coordinates his drags and drops.

Because of the abundancy of the models, it is very difficult to make a signature render because the chances of your render looking like the other will be very high.

Of course there are still people who try to model everything on their own for the purpose of upgrading their skills.

To answer whether you are cheating does not rely on somebody else's thoughts. Ask yourself the same question, and if it indeed served you and your clients' purpose - I'm sure you'll find the honest answer yourself.

A renderer (person not the software) can pump convincing images given objects and scenes to work on. But a real cg artist can do more than that. Choose what you want to be.

agree ako...

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Kitid ng utak anyway master V already has the answer to add lng .. everything you do in your visual kahit nag drag n drop ka lng requires skills also and knowledge on how to use it. A visualizer only convert the ideas into near reality, pakisabi na lng sa kanya na bago sya mag comment ng ganun make sure na sya mismo meron papakita sayo na lahat ginawa nya from scratch. anyway lahat nasabi na ni master v

add ko lang mga sir, at the end of the day, ang tanong eh, nasatisfy mo ba ang client o hindi? nakuha mo ba ang project o hindi? hindi na itatanong nang client kung saan at paano mo nakuha yung abubot. design and composition and dapat. your not cheating man, your just wise (time, speed and quality).

For me, as long as confident ka sa gawa mo and your proud of the outcome for your own efforts regardless of the " drag & drop models" hindi ito maituturing na pandaraya.

But once there's a guilt feeling & doubt on your own work.. that's another side of the story.

I am proud to those artists using pre-modeled accessories at napalabas nila na maganda sa image ung tunay nitong textures (patunay lang na nabigyan nila ito ng hustisya) but once they claimed na lahat yon (100% pure) ay minodel nila at original design nila... nadi-dismaya ako bigla kahit gano pa kaganda ang image na un... "Sinong niloko mo pre?!..ako o ang Sarili mo?!"

We're entitled for our own views & opinions... in fair view sa nag-comment sayo baka naman kc you claimed that all those things na ginamit mo at ginawa mong design e nakita na nya before pa na pakiramdam nyang ginaya mo lang.

So maybe next time you post something.. you should account the things you used either your design was based on a magazin or you used pre-modeled stuffs just to be safe and never claim na lahat yon e katas ng paghihirap mo! Peaceout!

cheating is very different from being resourceful and knows how to use your libray. sabihin mo dun sa critic mo kung ayaw nya ng library nya ibigay nya sa akin. kukunti lang kasi library ko e hehehe. nakita na ba ng critic mo ung mga gawa ng mga masters? like our very own archithekthura? do you think lightings make his output different from the rest? NO, it's because of the composition itself. look how the textures and models blends. show it to him and enlighten him.

but of course, if 95% of your scene is only pre-modeled and you just did the "BOX" where you put those ready to serve models that's a different story imho.

using downloaded models is only risky if you are doing interiors at metikuloso and client. most of the times client will based the total "feel" of the room by looking how the furniture blends. kaya kung hindi mo alam kung saan makakabili ng something similar na ginamit (archmodels, etc...) mo sa scene dun magkakaroon ng problema.

Mga Master ang ganda ng topic nyo ahhh ... well wala naman talga pakialam ang client sa mga abubots eh...kaya mr samar, try to overcome those reasons ipagtangol mo ang creation ng pagiging Architect, malay mo eh yung taong yun eh waiter pala

Baka inggit lang sayo...basta be proud of what you do sir!!Basta nasa tama ka wag mo nang pansinin.

sino ba dito di gumagamit ng nevermotion model or other model sa ibang site?

I think lahat naman ata eh meron ready made model na!!!..............

AUSTRIA wrote:sino ba dito di gumagamit ng nevermotion model or other model sa ibang site?

I think lahat naman ata eh meron ready made model na!!!..............

hahahhaha...ok ba yang evermotion?di ko pa kasi natatry yan...makapagmax nga!

for visualization purposes yung mga evermotion na models, so the answer is no, hindi siya cheating.

O baka naman nung tinanong niya yun hindi siya aware na pwedeng gamitin yung model ng paulit-ulit. Baka straightforward na question

Or baka hindi siya sa archi or interior na field, kaya natanong nya yun. Baka mas sanay siya na mag start from scratch palagi.

cguro mga dude, d alam gamitin ung software.kaya nainggit.

hindi cheating yan.. for example sa interior wag mong sabihin e dedesign mo din ang refrigerator eh meron namang ready made model sa evermotion.. sa actual niyan its the clients choice pa rin.. dba? ang ginawa mo lng is visualization.. another example is trees.. gagawa ka pa ba ng trees na meron naman din sa evermotion.. sa actual niyan wala yang mga trees dba?.. ang ginawa mo lng ay mapaganda mo at ma ingganyo mo ang cliente.. no need to model, its a waste of time.. bro, wag mo na pansinin yan.. inggit lng yan.. ang importante sa lahat maganda pagka present mo sa client at makuha mo ang project..

tama ang mga master. isipin na rin natin para saan pa at pinamimigay ng libre sa ibang site ang mga 3D or binebenta ang mga RPC at evermotion kung itoy masasabing cheating lang. these are all items that helps us present the client our main proposal of our project. To satisfy our clients and to approved the project is our aim. I remember I use to have the videos of animations done by some architectural firms in Cityscape last year. They are also using these things in their presentation and yet they are one of the top ang reknown firms in other countries. Are they also doing a CHEATING thing. ha ha ha... usually, ung mga ganyang tao na mapuna eh iyan ung mga hindi naman kaya ung ginagawa mo. Why not try to passed it him/her then let him do it from scratch, sasabihin ko sayo lalapit pa iyan sayo at maghihingi ng mga drag and drop mo dahil d niya magawa or kakapusin cya sa oras. ha ha ha... Base on my experience, marami na ako nakilala na ganyan na tao filipino and most specially non-filipino.

I thought I'd answer angain because there is an unconscious dangerous tendency in the replies that I have seen.

First, how do you guys arrive at "naiingit lang yan"? Its funny when I analyze filipino frame of mind. We try to justify something by claiming such as a result of envy and the whole gang suddenly adopt to the same thinking. This is weird. This is dangerous. Wake up people. Analyze the situation when you have the facts, do not put words on somebody else's mouth. That's how a responsible adult should attend to the pressures around him.

Now, to correct some facts. Nevermotion is a word crafted by my good kohai, crayzard. He refers to nevermotion as items for architecture rendering that he modeled and textured himself for some of our past projects. So whatever the reference to the word by Austria - I hope that it was mentioned in good faith.

Somebody mentioned here that the bottomline is "Were you able to get the project/contract?". This is both correct and wrong. If you got the project by posing somebody else's work (evermotion for example) as your own and clients were made to believe so, then that is CHEATING. And I will have very strong opinions about it. If the client liked your render quality and the service you provide - then that is good work. Big difference.

obviously not thats just our way of making things easy, if there are already available models, then why not use them? if that person really consider that cheating..then thats his problem

evermotion models are ready made and for a wide range usage. if we want to have a signatured render/output it's our own choice and will. Be responsible...