Exterior shot with fountain

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check nyo mga sir kung ok na sa inyo

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lakaivikoi wrote:....project mo ba yan sir o isa sa mga tutorial?....

hindi sir... it was for Eevermotion rendering competition. medyo halos pare-pareho na mga gawa nila, so i make something diffirent. actually baka maging tutorial na rin, dami kase nagrerequest gawan ng wips sa Evermotion kaya pag post ko doon ng wips post ko rin dito.

render master wrote:

lakaivikoi wrote:....project mo ba yan sir o isa sa mga tutorial?....

hindi sir... it was for Eevermotion rendering competition. medyo halos pare-pareho na mga gawa nila, so i make something diffirent.

oic...bk wan tym magamit ko yan 4 landscaping..hehehe

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v_wrangler wrote:

render master wrote::
Of course you don't need expensive plugins here. As or the mists - It's all over. I meant mist on the top of the fountain.

o vertex - how i wish to see your works with these particles.

I already gave you hints how you could do it. If my post was a bit cryptic to you, ask which part you do not understand and I will try to rephrase it.

hayy naku vertex, as if you are making as stupid. your the only man here na kung magcomment parang kang God of all knowledge. na para kang galit na galit sa mga comments. Assuming na mali ang comments ng isang member, but the way you commented thier comments ay parang your putting them down. Di ko alam kung ilan sa mga member here ang medyo offended sa mga pagcocomments mo. Siguro lagyan mo lang ng fashion the way you talk marami matutuwa sa yo.

I know your very much professional sa mga work na eto based on your experience. dami nga believe sa yo eh sa galing ng iyong mga pananalita. pero kung profesional ka nga, be profesional din the way you talk and handle people, kase doon mo makikita ang talagang pagiging profesional ng isang tao.

Hindi na sana ako sasabat eh, kaya lang napakadami kong love letters na natanggap na nagsasabing naguguluhan din sila. Parang si vertex! Kesa ipaliwanag ko at sumulat ng paulit-ulit, naisip ko na mas mainam na "straight from the horse's mouth" na lang itanong. Isa pa hindi po offended si vertex:D , Sa mga mahal ko lamang ako marunong magalit.

Kanina sa loob ng tren habang akong papauwi tungo sa aking kubli, naisip ko na maaaring naihalintulad ako ni ginoong master sa isang galit na panginoon sa ilang kadahilanan:

1. Hindi niya naintindihan ang aking sinulat dahil masyadong sosssy (tama kaya ang spelling) ang aking ingles? (pasensiya na - it takes me twice the same time to write the same thing in tagalog at mas magaling akong maghapon kaysa tagalog)

2. Maaaring magkaiba ang turo sa amin ukol sa tunay na ibig sabihin ng professionalism, caring, or how to become an effective conscience?

3. Maaaring hindi niya type ang aking pagiging totoo? Paumanhin ulit - bawal sa aking relihiyon ang maging sinungaling o hindi maging matapat. Pero OK sa aking relihiyon ang magbigay ng hints at tips upang maitama ang kasinungalinan.

Hindi ko na po sasagutin iyong tungkol sa iyong palagay na akoy isang diyos dahil hindi nga po ako diyos - isa lamang akong munting diyosa.

Para sa aking kapakanan at sa labindalawa sa aking mga alipores, puwede po bang paki-edit itong nakaraan kong sagot at paki-fashion para ako'y hindi na maging isang puwing sa puso ng mga nagdaramihang kaibigan ninyo na lubos na nangagalaiti sa leeg ng inyong lingkod?

Ang iyong pakiusap:

check nyo mga sir kung ok na sa inyo

Ang aking sosyal na sagot (Paki-copy and paste na lang po ginoong master):

I do not know if you really are aiming for something photoreal, but I beg to lightly disagree at this point to some of the comments that it looks photoreal.

Don't you guys think so? confused

As I mentioned in the past - it helps to compare with actual references. Sometimes what we assume we know - is actually wrong.

Here's some reference that may help you out. Even at 1/400 you'd need to at least metaballlize the particles if you insist on the particles. Otherwise it will look like a fountain shooting out JOLENS. (if you are using vray - look for the free berconmetaballs of the bercon maps fame)

From ODORI PARK


From ODORI PARK


Ramdomize the size and apply a mixture of object/image blur. If its vray then use the 3dmblur.
Tiny particle dots for mists might also be appropriate. Same goes with foam.
The water body has a metallic feel to it. Perhaps it's because of the environment color being reflected and refracted.

As for lighting, there is very little contrast and saturation is quite low. I do not know if that is the intention or you haven't done that part yet - but perhaps that is something to pay attention to.

The use of particles for archiviz is a big change to what I used to see around the forums. I look forward to how this work turns out.

PS. (Hinalungkat ko nga pala sa kaban yong reference sa taas para sa yo lamang. Mas madali kasing ipasa ang punto kapag may ehemplo eh.)

Salamat nga pala ginoong moderator kurdapya sa paalalang BTT (Back to the Topic). Ako man ay labis na nalilito na rin kung ano talaga ang topic.

Kung OT ito ay pakilipat na lang o kaya paki-PM lang po at ako na ang maglilipat. Huwag lang pong i-delete dahil nakakapagod mag-type.

Salamat po at hihintayin ko ang correction ng butihing rendermaster.

PS. gumawa na rin nga pala ako ng particle sample tulad ng aking tinuran sa aking payo sa inyo. Baka kako malabo iyong aking libreng written advice - mas mainam ang sample para sa isang gutom sa bagong kaalaman!.

Ang diyosa ng kagandahan,

ayos ito,,,tnx for sharing...

nice sir onel,,, mga puso nyo ha,,, easy lang guys,,,

to vertex: salamat sa effort ng pagtatype at sa mga picture reference. marami rin ako nyan. kaya di mo need maghanap para sa akin. medyo sarcastic lang ang dating ng ibang statement mo. kaya naging ganun ang response ko. as if..... anyway forget it.

back to topic. watcher mode lang muna. wait ko kase particles mo.

ayos sir onel.gusto ko rin matutunan yung particle system..post ka ng work flow mo.sakit din sa ulo kasi..

ayos rendermaster! i like the 4th image !

Galeng ng render. Very nice indeed.

render master wrote:to vertex: salamat sa effort ng pagtatype at sa mga picture reference. marami rin ako nyan. kaya di mo need maghanap para sa akin. medyo sarcastic lang ang dating ng ibang statement mo. kaya naging ganun ang response ko. as if..... anyway forget it.

back to topic. watcher mode lang muna. wait ko kase particles mo.

Ay hindi po para sa inyo lamang iyong effort ng pagbigay ko ng advice kahapon - para po iyon sa mga libo-libong fans ninyo na nagnanais din na matuto.

Sana huwag po kayo basta na lang mag-akusa tapos iiwan ang responsibilidad (watch mode). Hindi din po caring yon.

So ulitin ko ulit, alin po kaya ang tinutukoy ninyo doon sa sinulat ko sa taas para maging "medyo sarcastic lang ang dating"? Pwede po ninyong tagalugin, irephrase o bilugan mismo ang naisulat ko na. I am dying to be educated po kasama na siguro ang ilan sa tulad ko rin na sadyang nalalabuan.

Yon nga pala pong "Ah anyways, forget it" ay dapat na dialogue ko - hindi po sa inyo dahil ako po ang nagtanong.

Labis na iyo ay gumagalang,

ser galeng ng partcles mo... sana matutunan ko din yan... galeng ser... !

render master wrote:
adjusted contrast

Last edited by render master on Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:57 pm; edited 1 time in total

Yes! Yes!

Mas OK na po ginoo ang Ine-edit at dinagdag po ninyo na mages. Iyan po ang tinutukoy ko na OK Saturation non pa sa simula. Hindi po ba at maaliwalas tingnan kung may contrast?

vertexwrangler wrote:
Post v_wrangler Yesterday June 02, 2009 at 7:32 pm

...As for lighting, there is very little contrast and saturation is quite low. I do not know if that is the intention or you haven't done that part yet - but perhaps that is something to pay attention to.

Sana po sa susunod iwasan po natin ang edit ng edit ng post. Dahil yon pong mga sagot sa inyo na nauna ay di na tumutugma sa kinalabasan ng editing ninyo. Kung may update po kayo, dun ninyo sa huling pila ilagay para po hindi nagmukhang stoofeeed o walang kabuluhan ang sagot na nakaraan.

hayy naku vertex, as if you are making us stupid.

hindi po ako ang salarin...


Iyon na lang pong request ko sa itaas ang paki-edit. Alin po ulit doon ang sarcastic at hindi professional?

Walong oras na lang po ang natitira bago ako bumalik sa aking pag-kadiyosa. Tatanawin kong malaking utang na loob kung mabigyan kasagutan ni master ang aking pag-aagam agam.

hay naku tama na. lets go back to the main point.

pray muna ako before putting my comment. heheheheh

first of all thanks to pareng onel for this tutorial.. and i know that you are one of the great here. kahit nga sa evermotion ay sikat ika nga.. thanks bro to your effort to share your knowledge with us. kahit walang bayad.

to pareng vertex.. o sige bro awat muna. i understand your point and your good intention of trying to help and push everyone to the limit. the way i read it is ok naman..eh kaso minsan words could be misinterpreted and i do beleive this is the case here.

i for one have experienced a lot of things like this. and words sometimes i myself misinterpret them. and i beleive this is your very point which one to clear up the misunderstanding.

i dont want the discussion to lenthen pa. so may i just asked both side to extend understanding. so tama na. kasi instead of helping magkakasakitan pa.

both of you guys have help tons of people here and lets focus on that and accept sometimes misinterpretation or misunderstanding happens. but the best way is settling it and meeting on the middle. i know both of you are professionals and understand what i mean.

nice update sir galing ng water features

Mas okey sir oneil yung updated hehehe galing po....

ot: sana paki usap lang sa mga member na iingatan na lang natin ang bibitawan natin salita para wala ng away.
Pwede po tayo mag correct ng works na di makakasakit ng kapwa.

Kaya back to topic na lang please

Thanks nomer for your open mindedness and understanding. Sana lahat ng humihingi ng komento ay tulad mo. Iyan din ang point ko - the stuff I write are always misunderstood. It's not that it is hard to understand - it's just that people seem to refuse to understand. I am sure that if only the people here read well and digest the thoughts first before being too emotional, Then we won't have a problem. Learning will become enjoyable again.

Gusto ko lang ulit sabihin na hindi po si vertex nagbibigay ng salita na walang batayan. Hindi rin po ugali na mamintas ng walang basehan at walang paliwanang kung saan maaaring itama ang isang bagay. Hindi rin po ako nagkokomento ukol sa tao (dahil hindi si vertex isng tao - siya'y espiritu!), kundi yung imahe lang po na ipinost. Ang hindi ko lang po maaatim kahit sa anong larangan, ay ang gawin berde ang asul. Pero pwede ko pong sabihin na haluan natin ng dilaw.

Makakaasa po kayo na I never misuderstood anything - everything is in black and white dito and I am sure that some of our audiences here can now pinpoint who needs to do some careful reading next time. Kaya ko nga po nililinaw ay baka sabihin naman ng mga umaasa sa akin na wala akong paninindigan at wakas na ang hustisya at katotohanan sa forum na ito. Hinihintay ko pa rin po ang paglilinaw ni ginoong master.

Soredewa

AUSTRIA wrote:Mas okey sir oneil yung updated hehehe galing po....

ot: sana paki usap lang sa mga member na iingatan na lang natin ang bibitawan natin salita para wala ng away.
Pwede po tayo mag correct ng works na di makakasakit ng kapwa.

Kaya back to topic na lang please

Exactly the point nga po. Kahapon ko pa tinatanong doon kay ginoong master at sa lahat kung alin parte ng nabanggit ko ang masakit para marunong na ako sa susunod.

Ikaw baka alam mo - pwede tayong gumawa ng ibang thread.

http://www.cgpinoy.org/tambayan-f7/napakasakit-kuya-eddie-t4421.htm#88876

v_wrangler wrote:Thanks nomer for your open mindedness and understanding. Sana lahat ng humihingi ng komento ay tulad mo. Iyan din ang point ko - the stuff I write are always misunderstood. It's not that it is hard to understand - it's just that people seem to refuse to understand. I am sure that if only the people here read well and digest the thoughts first before being too emotional, Then we won't have a problem. Learning will become enjoyable again.

Gusto ko lang ulit sabihin na hindi po si vertex nagbibigay ng salita na walang batayan. Hindi rin po ugali na mamintas ng walang basehan at walang paliwanang kung saan maaaring itama ang isang bagay. Ang hindi ko lang po maaatim kahit sa anong larangan, ay ang gawin berde ang asul. Pero pwede ko pong sabihin na haluan natin ng dilaw.

Makakaasa po kayo na I never misuderstood anything - everything is in black and white dito and I am sure that some of our audiences here can now pinpoint who needs to do some careful reading next time. Kaya ko nga po nililinaw ay baka sabihin naman ng mga umaasa sa akin na wala akong paninindigan at wakas na ang hustisya at katotohanan sa forum na ito. Hinihintay ko pa rin po ang paglilinaw ni ginoong master.

Soredewa

Actually tama ka naman bro eh sa mga comments mo agree ako sayo kasi totoo sinasabi mo kaya lang minsan kailangan tumahimik ka na lang kaysa makasakit ka ng kapwa. Uu kailangan ituwid ang mali pero in a nice manner naman. Pasalamat nga tayo nasa furom lang tayo eh kung personal na kausap mo ang tao baka ano mangyari sayo kasi may mga tao na makikitid ang utak bro. Kahit sabihin natin na mis understood nakasakit ka pa rin ng tao kaya its better to keep quiet na lang. Sana sir vertex
igalang mo naman ang mga Mods dito na kapag sinabi tama na tama na. Wala na dapat paliwanagan pa.

based on what i read on the original comment by mr. vertex, i see that there is'nt anything offensive with it.

v_wrangler wrote:I do not know if you really are aiming for something photoreal, but I beg to lightly disagree at this point to some of the comments that it looks photoreal.

Eto ba ang comment na nakakasakit dyan?

or these:

v_wrangler wrote:As I mentioned in the past - it helps to compare with actual references. Sometimes what we assume we know - is actually wrong.

Here's some reference that may help you out. Even at 1/400 you'd need to at least metaballlize the particles if you insist on the particles. Otherwise it will look like a fountain shooting out JOLENS. (if you are using vray - look for the free berconmetaballs of the bercon maps fame)


Ramdomize the size and apply a mixture of object/image blur. If its vray then use the 3dmblur.
Tiny particle dots for mists might also be appropriate. Same goes with foam.
The water body has a metallic feel to it. Perhaps it's because of the environment color being reflected and refracted.

As for lighting, there is very little contrast and saturation is quite low. I do not know if that is the intention or you haven't done that part yet - but perhaps that is something to pay attention to.

The use of particles for archiviz is a big change to what I used to see around the forums. I look forward to how this work turns out.

Yung unang quote, ay isang observation lamang, kung sa akin i-babato ang comment na yun.

As for the 2nd quote that i pointed out, they are clearly suggestions, on how one can achieve such effects effectively, though i would be honest that i have no knowledge about particles, that's why I take my hats off to sir ronel for the effort.

I think hindi lang na gets ng nagbabasa yung comment..dapat siguro mag drawing at mag 3d na lang tayo...most of us are really not that good in comprehending the 3rd most commonly used language in this country anyway.

Wala nang magco-comment regarding this matter, or else i will be forced to closed this down.....

Please let us all get back on topic.

mga masters ok lang ba na magcompete kau ng works??? joke lang

nabasa ako!

onaski wrote:mga masters ok lang ba na magcompete kau ng works??? joke lang

haha!nice one bro!!! joke lang po yun TS ha....

On topic:

Galing sir, siguro malaki lang onti yung mga particle mo, pero astig, hinde ko rin kc alam pano gawin to.
Read the tuts sa evermotion before (d ko na maalala, pero pinoy yung nagpost, kaw ba yun?) galing sir!!!thanks for sharing your knowledge , ask ko lang, pangmental ray lang ba tlga sya pwede? how bout vray?tried the tuts pero sobra bigat rendering, scanline pa yun ha w/ o lights.if aanimate, kya ba ng ordinary quadcore to sir?

Want to learn your technique sir (lalo na kung pano pagaanin), if you dont mind sharing....hehehe
Mabuhay po!

wheeew i never expected na etong thread aabot sa ganito. pagalingan ng mga discussion. iyong thread ko naging hot thread heheheh. okay no offense to all. .

hayaan na ang mga naunang mga comments its just that baka ngakaroon lang ng di malinaw na explanasyon. ok lang ako. kaya nasabi ko watch mode.

to vertex : thanks for the effort. ayaw ko ipinpoint kung ano ang mga lines mo na medyo sarcastic and dating. para sa akin ok lang yon, i would say what if sa mga bago. anyway as you said you are the man who dont have fashion but siguro meron ka namang manner. and its what we are looking for sa mga susunod na comments mo. bahala ka na kung ano ang interpretasyon mo ng manner.

anyway peace to all. no hurt feelings.

para sa lahat: walang problema. kung ano man ang mga comment nyo, kung maganda kung pangit kung may humahanga at may lumalait. isa lang pipinpoint ko at hindi lang iyon sa thread na eto, its a thread in general its the way how you deliver your comments. .

kobe wrote:

onaski wrote:mga masters ok lang ba na magcompete kau ng works??? joke lang

haha!nice one bro!!! joke lang po yun TS ha....

On topic:

Galing sir, siguro malaki lang onti yung mga particle mo, pero astig, hinde ko rin kc alam pano gawin to.
Read the tuts sa evermotion before (d ko na maalala, pero pinoy yung nagpost, kaw ba yun?) galing sir!!!thanks for sharing your knowledge , ask ko lang, pangmental ray lang ba tlga sya pwede? how bout vray?tried the tuts pero sobra bigat rendering, scanline pa yun ha w/ o lights.if aanimate, kya ba ng ordinary quadcore to sir?

Want to learn your technique sir (lalo na kung pano pagaanin), if you dont mind sharing....hehehe
Mabuhay po!

ako sir iyong nagpost doon. hehehehe
patickles can work both mental ray at vray lalo na sa scanline.
sa particles - hayaan mo na iyong size nya kahit na maging size pa ng jolens hehehehehe. not all water fountain is the same ika nga. thanks.

hayaan na ang mga naunang mga comments its just that baka ngakaroon lang ng di malinaw na explanasyon. ok lang ako. kaya nasabi ko watch mode.

to vertex : thanks for the effort. ayaw ko ipinpoint kung ano ang mga lines mo na medyo sarcastic and dating. para sa akin ok lang yon, i would say what if sa mga bago. anyway as you said you are the man who dont have fashion but siguro meron ka namang manner. and its what we are looking for sa mga susunod na comments mo. bahala ka na kung ano ang interpretasyon mo ng manner.

anyway peace to all. no hurt feelings.

para sa lahat: walang problema. kung ano man ang mga comment nyo, kung maganda kung pangit kung may humahanga at may lumalait. isa lang pipinpoint ko at hindi lang iyon sa thread na eto, its a thread in general its the way how you deliver your comments. .

OK rendermaster. Hindi mo maipinpoint dahil wala naman talaga di ba?

I just want to set the records straight since you dragged me as well. You have just claimed that you commented not on the substance of my post but on some other issues, is that correct?

Sa madalit salita, ikaw ay nag-akusa sa akin hindi dahil may masakit akong sinabi sa comment ko kundi ikaw ay di sumasangayon sa aking pananalita o pamamaraan in general, Hindi ba?

You or anyone are welcome to disagree with my posts and argue on the merits of its content - but I hope that you will refrain from attacking me as a person for the mere reason that you do not like how I deliver my comments. I do not like yours either - if that helps. But I am a law abiding citizen of my country and because, I do not think that, that is the spirit of this forum we all love.

Everyone is free to agree or disagree - until Bokks says otherwise, you can say it in whatever language or tone that you want. But be intelligent enough to understand what the topic or the content is. Next time, read the post carefully - perhaps that is your weakness.

If you guys would like to join a healthy discussion or find out what ticks and what not, head over to my Masakit thread.

tama na nga yan,,nakaka bading na kayo e,,,***** moderator*** edited so not to cause further tension.