HELP! I need somebody...rendering a high resolution image

First topic message reminder :

mga dudes patulong naman....

having some problem rendering an image with 2500 resolution or higher.
pwede bang magtanong kung baket nagka-crash ang pc ko.
memory issue ba to? 4 gig lang ram ko e...

minsan merong message na "error creating bitmap"...

TIA mga dudes!

v_wrangler wrote:They aren't mistaken. And I am not mistaken either.

The mistake lies in how you understood (or otherwise) what the discussion was about. If you read from the top you'll understand.

Ang problema ay ang kakulangan ng memory when rendering - so if you'll proxy it with lowres (kasi nga ano pa ba ang kasunod ng hires pa-taas? ) eh di lalo mo lang binawasan ang quality ng rendering. Yun ang point ng sagot ko sa suggestion mo.

Of course pwede mong gamitin for rendering ang proxy - but in this particular problem - all you have is a lower resolution proxy which defeats the purpose.

Na gets mo na kaya?

Hindi kase ayaw ko i-gets.

The thread stated Rendering a high res image with some bitmap error case, so meaning di na kaya ihandle ng cpu ang mga bitmap na ginamit nya, so using a bitmap proxy may lowering the image resolution of the bitmap he uses. Puede naman i-lower ang bitmap proxy na di gaanong maapektuhan ang rendered image. Malay natin, iyong isang bitmap na ginamit nya is sobrang high res, sa scene naman ang liit naman pala ng object na pinaglagyan ng bitmap na iyon. So its a case to case basis pa rin. So i thinks with this scenario, di mo sasabihing affected iyong high res image nya,

To torvicz..
Inspect and review mo lang ang lahat ng bitmap na ginamit mo, baka iyong iba masyadong malaki ang resolution then ang liit lang naman pala ng object na pinaglagyan. hope it helps.

@torvicz
bro natry mo na bang gawing auto to dynamic ung sa vray settings? and sabi mo na 4GB naman ram mo kaya pwede mong gawing at least 2GB ung allotted memory sa vray settings din... hope makatulong

Kaya naman pala di tayo magkaintindihan eh - ayaw mo palang intindihin.

Siguro nga iba yung tinitingnan mo sa nakita ko - kasi my advise has always been how to solve problems not get around it. Magkaiba yung work the problem out sa hindi naman halata eh. The latter, ay hindi uubra sa akin

Since you mentioned a script. It is a good "workaround". If you have no choice or have no time to learn and find out why it won't render, grab it.

Pero bakit si vertex ay hindi fan ng workaround?

Kasi nga at 2500 pixels which is quite small - something might be terribly wrong with your machine setup or scene that it won't be obliged to render something that small (arkiviz standard) . And if you resort to the workaround (while it does the same thing) you are simply getting around the problem and not solving it in its entirety. You will be doing the same thing when the same thing comes again the second time. Well if it works - then it works!

So my advice to everyone - specially if you want to be very very very proficient in max - is to learn from the mistakes (user errors or hardware deficiencies whatsoever) so that you will be well-armed when the same bugging problem comes again.

And to rendermaster - I also use that script if I am rendering stills at 10Ks and over

@ dude vertex & dude ronel:

there seem to be a debate happening, but it's ok...
gusto ko lang malaman nyo na malaki ng natututunan ko sa mga arguments ninyong dalawa...and thank you for taking time off just to answer this problem..

kagabi napuyat nanaman ako sa pag-troubleshoot but still, ganun pa rin.
although paminsan minsan nakakatsamba...pero di parin sapat ung resolution na nakukuha ko....gang 1800 lang e....need to have atleast 2500.

try ko uli mamya tong napag usapan nyong dalawang master...

ayus kayong dalwa!

kietsmark wrote:@torvicz
bro natry mo na bang gawing auto to dynamic ung sa vray settings? and sabi mo na 4GB naman ram mo kaya pwede mong gawing at least 2GB ung allotted memory sa vray settings din... hope makatulong

you mean from static to dynamic dude keits?

oo usually dynamic lagi ako e...
pero ganun pa rin.....

I tried recomposing the scene again para malaman ko kung sino sa mga xrefs ko ang me tama...
slowly nakukuha ko naman...di kaya sa dami ng trees ko???? although vray proxy naman na sila e...

v_wrangler wrote:Kaya naman pala di tayo magkaintindihan eh - ayaw mo palang intindihin.

Of course nauunawaan ko, Im not that s****d the way you are trying to imply. Ayaw ko lang i-entertain iyong word mo kung gets ko na. Para kaseng sinabi mo were that s****d in some other way and you are not. Were all came from nothing Vertex. Nobody have the mind of the king.

meron kayang limit ang paggamit ng xrefs? dude verts and dude ronel?

torvicz wrote:oo usually dynamic lagi ako e...
pero ganun pa rin.....

I tried recomposing the scene again para malaman ko kung sino sa mga xrefs ko ang me tama...
slowly nakukuha ko naman...di kaya sa dami ng trees ko???? although vray proxy naman na sila e...

yup un na nga hehehe hindi ka ba nagbago ng file/folder organization mo? baka meron kang cut and paste sa mga folders mo na nakalagay ung vray proxy master file at hindi naka-add sa user path ng max? hula-hula lang bro hehehe wala bang lumalabas na error sa vray console?

kietsmark wrote:

torvicz wrote:oo usually dynamic lagi ako e...
pero ganun pa rin.....

I tried recomposing the scene again para malaman ko kung sino sa mga xrefs ko ang me tama...
slowly nakukuha ko naman...di kaya sa dami ng trees ko???? although vray proxy naman na sila e...

yup un na nga hehehe hindi ka ba nagbago ng file/folder organization mo? baka meron kang cut and paste sa mga folders mo na nakalagay ung vray proxy master file at hindi naka-add sa user path ng max? hula-hula lang bro hehehe wala bang lumalabas na error sa vray console?

hmmm...di ko pa to naconsider dude....automatic create proxy saken dude e...

sa error console, di ko masyadong pinapansin un e...hehe, tingnan ko mamya.

@ dude Torvicz.

dude gaano na kalaki ang file???

tinanong pa kita ehh..katabi lng namn kita...hehehehe

peace po lahat.....

torvicz wrote: hmmm...di ko pa to naconsider dude....automatic create proxy saken dude e...

sa error console, di ko masyadong pinapansin un e...hehe, tingnan ko mamya.

bro kung talagang wala na why not try render passes? then compose mo na lang sa PS?

TOrvics - I do not use xref when rendering - it will clog the bandwith lalo na if you are exref'in from a different machine in the LAN. So if you ask for my experience - that's all I can say. If you need more book info - I'm sure rendermaster will come to your rescue.

For rendersmaster, siguro nga iba yung tinitingnan mo sa nakita ko - kasi pag nagbigay ako ng advise it has always been how to solve problems not get around it. Magkaiba yung work the problem out sa hindi naman halata eh. Dun ako palagi sa una. Anyways, there's a gazillion ways to do the same thing in max, if it works then its works.

TOrvics, since ronel mentioned a script. I'd say it is a good "workaround". If you have no choice or have no time to learn and find out why it won't render, grab it.

Pero aminin ko na sa yo si vertex ay hindi fan ng workaround:

Kasi nga at 2500 pixels which is quite small - something might be terribly wrong with your machine setup or scene that it won't be obliged to render something that small (arkiviz standard) . And if you resort to the workaround (while it does the same thing) you are simply getting around the problem and not solving it in its entirety. You will be doing the same thing when the same thing comes again the second time. Well if it works - then it works!

So my advice to everyone - specially if you want to be very very very proficient in max - is to learn from the mistakes (user errors or hardware deficiencies whatsoever) so that you will be well-armed when the same bugging problem comes again.

And to rendermaster - I also use that script whenever I'm rendering stills at 10Ks and over.

minsan ang gawa ko, say i have 100 xrefs (tress) sa first render 1/4 lang ang show up iyon lang makikita sa rendered scene, then ganun din doon sa remaining parts. ( kung talagang alang choice at di kaya ng computer)

ano ba size ng ginagawa mo baka sobra laki. then ang dpi nya sobra laki then. review mo iyong print size wizard.

i remember nag render ako ng aerial view ng subdivision, 300 houses, 6 dept/ commercial, 8 school building, 2 churches, 1 govt buildling, lots of parkings, rpc tress ( 800) rpc cars ( 300)..... pang A0 - with 600 dpi. bitmap error pa rin, na solve ko by adjusting bitmapager and lowering down a bit ang bitmap proxy.

yun lolo ko...

lol!

Torvics, pag nasolve na post the rendering tapos i-document mo kung pano mo naayos. So we can learn from it.

v_wrangler wrote:yun lolo ko...

lol!

Torvics, pag nasolve na post the rendering tapos i-document mo kung pano mo naayos. So we can learn from it.

yun nga ser, pero sana ma-solve ko muna..

sang tanong pa dude verts, di kaya salarin rin ung windows ko?
kase unfortunately na detect ng windows ung copy ko na pirated, ang nangyari kase na update ko ung windows
accidentaly thru net. so ngayon every now and then may warning na nagpo-pop up saying na
di nga daw genuine ang copy ko at pwedeng maapektuhan ang system ko....palagay mo ser?

kietsmark wrote:

torvicz wrote: hmmm...di ko pa to naconsider dude....automatic create proxy saken dude e...

sa error console, di ko masyadong pinapansin un e...hehe, tingnan ko mamya.

bro kung talagang wala na why not try render passes? then compose mo na lang sa PS?

isang option ko rin yan dude keits....pero sana wag na umabot dito....dagdag trabaho kase e...TY ha?

@dude ronel: atleast 2500 lang ser...maliit p nga un e...

torvicz - pasilip nga ng bitmap pager statistics ng scene mo

Dehins ko masagot yang specific na tanong mo kasi ala naman pakialam ang max sa OS unless an SP requires a particular new dll from an OS upgrade.

Anyways, ganito gagawin ko:

1. Restart machine
2. Start Max
3. Turn off bitmaps, shadows, displacements and test render
3. Bring back yong tinurn off mo one at a time then test render,
4. Pag di sya nagrender at nagerror pa rin liek before pag turn on mo ang bitmap, then its a bitmap prolem.
5. Approach the bitmap problem as suggested by yours truly and ronel.
6. Kung gumamit ka ng low res bitmap at nairender mo, then its a memory issue.

Pag di pa rin umubra - padala mo kay ronel at parender natin sa kanya! Solb!

@dude ronel: atleast 2500 lang ser...maliit p nga un e...
maliit nga, may culprit sa scene mo, merge mo kaya into a new file ( testing lang kung talagang ala na choice)

v_wrangler wrote:
Pag di pa rin umubra - padala mo kay ronel at parender natin sa kanya! Solb!

Sir ha ginawa mo pa akong renderfarm, ehekk renderer pala

there are a lot of ways and things to trouble shoot, iyong mga suggestion namin was base lang sa mga naeexperienced namin, unless we have the scene file doon pa lang namin talagang mapo-point out lahat.

render master wrote:

v_wrangler wrote:
Pag di pa rin umubra - padala mo kay ronel at parender natin sa kanya! Solb!

Sir ha ginawa mo pa akong renderfarm, ehekk renderer pala

OO nga no.

baka name mo maging renderfarm na di na rendermaster!

@ dude ronel : may culprit nga ser...

di ko lang alang alam kung naka ilang xrefs ako, pero pag unchek ko ung enable sa ibang xrefs medyo nag ok sya....

di ko pa natry ung bitamap pager e....

panu ba makuha ung stats na sinasabi mo ser?

@dude vertex: ok lang......ganyan din ang ginawa ko although not exactly the same method.....ang akin nman, ung xrefs isa isa kong niloload para malaman ko kung sino sa kanila ang salarin, tapos from there try ko ung suggestion mo dude verts! galeng!

TY