Architect Mañosa designs ‘green’ townhouse

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from the Inquirer:

Architect Mañosa designs ‘green’ townhouse

MANILA, Philippines – Read the ads and the press releases on development projects that hype on green living; many play up the obvious—their proposed homes will be surrounded by verdant landscape. But the important concern is—where are the basic green building tenets of using energy-efficient material and technology and reducing disruption of the environment?

Mañosa & Properties, a spin-off of architect Francisco “Bobby” Mañosa’s design firm, has launched the country’s first luxury townhouse development that follows the ideals of green building, from design to maintenance. Lantana Lane in New Manila, Quezon City, is a 16-unit, single-detached and townhouse project that balances Filipino style and modern function while reducing carbon footprint....

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mushroom wrote:

tutik wrote:

v_wrangler wrote:Mushroom,

Eh? Nagkasya?

no need, just standing pose but you have to bee a sharp shooter (bamboo floor slats are spaced further just right for you not to be able to poke your finger/dick out). =) and you don't stick out your dick like that, the tuko is always hungry for meat =)

vertex teka nalito ako. sino ba nagkasya o di nagkasya, ako o si tutik?

Lulusot at lulusot din po yun,,,pag binuhusan,,,

tutik wrote:

mushroom wrote:back to the topic - if you really wanna go green, our ancestors knew about it way before us - the bahay kubo. that's as green as a Filipino can get

just make sure you don't linger under the void area before someone spill over an arinola =) i used to pee at the bamboo floor slats straight away.

buti sana kung liquid lang ang ma spill, pano kung me champorado pa. :p

tutik wrote:

v_wrangler wrote:Mushroom,

Eh? Nagkasya?

no need, just standing pose but you have to bee a sharp shooter (bamboo floor slats are spaced further just right for you not to be able to poke your finger/dick out). =) and you don't stick out your dick like that, the tuko is always hungry for meat =)

Marami dind tuko sa inyo sir?

mushroom wrote:

tutik wrote:

mushroom wrote:back to the topic - if you really wanna go green, our ancestors knew about it way before us - the bahay kubo. that's as green as a Filipino can get

just make sure you don't linger under the void area before someone spill over an arinola =) i used to pee at the bamboo floor slats straight away.

buti sana kung liquid lang ang ma spill, pano kung me champorado pa. :p

pag may kasamang bugrit, dun ka na sa bintana pumuwesto =)

tutik wrote:LOL he was fast to have corrected it before you asked =)

so i noticed hehe. buti na lang malalaki ang slat spacing sa bahay kubo namin

mushroom wrote:

tutik wrote:

v_wrangler wrote:Mushroom,

Eh? Nagkasya?

no need, just standing pose but you have to bee a sharp shooter (bamboo floor slats are spaced further just right for you not to be able to poke your finger/dick out). =) and you don't stick out your dick like that, the tuko is always hungry for meat =)

vertex teka nalito ako. sino ba nagkasya o di nagkasya, ako o si tutik?

Hahaha! Sori, pre Nasa isip ko kasi yung kabute eh... Kabute lang kasi mahilig magsisiksik eh... Tutik pala...
Para di tayo OT - Ano ba dapat ang classification para maconsider sa pinas na Eco-friendly. Should the structure be made of local materials or should it conform to global standards in the reduction of harmful gases. Di ko kasi masyadong nabasa ang description ng project ni Archt. Manosa eh. Nakita ko yong price, medyo di pocket friendly eh...

mushroom wrote:

tutik wrote:LOL he was fast to have corrected it before you asked =)

so i noticed hehe. buti na lang malalaki ang slat spacing sa bahay kubo namin

Nyahahahaha! Iba talaga pag damatans ang nagbiruan. Hahahaha! Tigilan na natin di ako makapagtrabaho!

v_wrangler wrote:

mushroom wrote:

tutik wrote:

v_wrangler wrote:Mushroom,

Eh? Nagkasya?

no need, just standing pose but you have to bee a sharp shooter (bamboo floor slats are spaced further just right for you not to be able to poke your finger/dick out). =) and you don't stick out your dick like that, the tuko is always hungry for meat =)

vertex teka nalito ako. sino ba nagkasya o di nagkasya, ako o si tutik?

Hahaha! Sori, pre Nasa isip ko kasi yung kabute eh... Kabute lang kasi mahilig magsisiksik eh... Tutik pala...
Para di tayo OT - Ano ba dapat ang classification para maconsider sa pinas na Eco-friendly. Should the structure be made of local materials or should it conform to global standards in the reduction of harmful gases. Di ko kasi masyadong nabasa ang description ng project ni Archt. Manosa eh. Nakita ko yong price, medyo di pocket friendly eh...

it's a complex subject sir Verts. yes both that you mentioned falls under. to make it simple, it should implement the three R's--reuse, reduce, at recycle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_building

BCA's (Singapore) Green Mark Scheme:
http://www.bca.gov.sg/GreenMark/green_mark_buildings.html

here your dev't has to pass a criteria system for it to be considered Green. notable Green projects here are 'Stadium Mass Rapid Transit Station' (soon to open) and 'Newton Suites' both designed by Woha Architects (both projects we were involved--plugging! ):
http://www.fivefootway.com/2008/11/15/woha-wins-two-out-of-three-international-awards-at-australian-national-awards-in-architecture/

Thanks tutik for the insights. I like Manosa but sometimes hate him. Lalo na pag ang client always talks about him. We were once commissioned to do something manosaist. what?!? anyway, hindi ko na din pala mapakita ang mga studies ko sa kanya since meron talaga siyang sarili nyang architectural standards. We had a project before na di nagkasundo ung modernist architect and manosa. pro nung pinagawa sa amin ung visualization, pasado kagad sa king of spain. the instituto cervantes.

I believe he is legendary when it comes to details and use of vernacular material. but unlike lindy locsin, manosa's short of innovation and advancement in terms of technology. I hope the younger ones would do this. He is to me the Frank Lloyd Wright of Philippine Architecture.

Own opinion ko lang ito ha. Debatable pa din. hehe. saka OT na ako.

Anyway, thanks sa 3 R's of being green. Sana talaga mapractice dito yan.

This is like going organic? which is so funny kasi sobrang mahal. Eh kung tutuusin, ganyan ang kinakain namin dati dun sa probinsya.

Back to topic. Baka ngayon mahal pa ang mga component ng pagiging green na installed dun sa townhouses na gawa nila. baka kasi gawa pa sa ibang bansa. if we start producing something like those or gawa tayo ng alternative solution using vernacular/local materials. from 18m baka 6m nalang yan. haha. also, 1 reason for that is hindi ka elite kung di mo kaya ang 18m na worth 8m lang. There always be an excess in everything elite.

bokks, i believe that some OT's are even more informative and relevant =)

now it's pretty clear, manosa is in a league of his own. you cannot just pirate the soul of a manosa design. you don't know how he does things its not as easy as copying from an architectural standards book or magazine. so your design won he respects that (and he won't hate you for that), coz we are all unique and can cook up great stuff.

"Baka ngayon mahal pa ang mga component ng pagiging green na installed dun sa townhouses na gawa nila. baka kasi gawa pa sa ibang bansa. if we start producing something like those or gawa tayo ng alternative solution using vernacular/local materials." -- easier said than done my friend (and my dad has a big smile on his face reading this). his components are a result of his r&d of more than 20yrs in the making and huge investments (a lot of people doesn't know that). gawang pinas po ito--check if you can visit his lab compound in Abra (locals are lucky for plenty of jobs created), but i don't think so. if you start putting those words into work, maybe you can catch up in the next few years.

like what i've previously mentioned, both business and philosophy is involved. 18m - legitimate / 8m - pirated, it's your choice.

18m - legitimate / 8m - pirated, it's your choice.

Thanks tutik, I won't say it's pirated. it's more of alternative. Same durability, or baka mas matibay pa. It's all about the concept, and you've already mentioned it. reuse, reduce, at recycle. basta wag lang repair.

Ano ung secret lab ng daddy mo sa Abra? Interesting.

bokkins wrote:Ano ung secret lab ng daddy mo sa Abra? Interesting.

repair is good! dad took home and repaired two of manosa's solid narra drafting tables. =) unfortunately i can't get one straight edge that can span from end to end =)

secret hehe.....kaya nga secret eh...my point is...innovate!

kiko dude is reading this now, salute po!

here's another green project we got involved (again by Woha, and SCDA), the Alila Villas in Bali and Maldives:
http://www.alilavillas.com/
http://www.alilavillas.com/uluwatu/design.asp
http://www.alilavillas.com/hadahaa/design.asp

note most of the timbers (that can be seen from the images) were all reused from local sources. roof collects rainwater and circulated around the dev't (watering of landscapes, water feature, etc). one of the many green aspects Bobby have applied at Samal, Amanpulo and Pearl Farm Beach Resorts.

bokkins wrote:
Anyway, thanks sa 3 R's of being green. Sana talaga mapractice dito yan.

This is like going organic? which is so funny kasi sobrang mahal. Eh kung tutuusin, ganyan ang kinakain namin dati dun sa probinsya.

Back to topic. Baka ngayon mahal pa ang mga component ng pagiging green na installed dun sa townhouses na gawa nila. baka kasi gawa pa sa ibang bansa. if we start producing something like those or gawa tayo ng alternative solution using vernacular/local materials. from 18m baka 6m nalang yan. haha. also, 1 reason for that is hindi ka elite kung di mo kaya ang 18m na worth 8m lang. There always be an excess in everything elite.

nice i recall boks sa iloilo especially during the rainy season sarap sa loob ng bahay habang umaapaw ang sugba hehe

oops sorry, OT.. but i guess my point is being close to nature is an experience most of us forget. it pays to have roots in the countryside, u get to appreciate going green better.

hmmm..guys, i think they're pushing through with the SMART MASONRY SYSTEM in this project. We were shortlisted on this bid but this SM System proved to be cheaper than the conventional. (labor and time-wise due to its mortar-less construction)
I dont really have an idea if they can be locally made but the website says, its from Australia.

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m | 9 z wrote:hmmm..guys, i think they're pushing through with the SMART MASONRY SYSTEM in this project. We were shortlisted on this bid but this SM System proved to be cheaper than the conventional. (labor and time-wise due to its mortar-less construction)
I dont really have an idea if they can be locally made but the website says, its from Australia.

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tfs sir! by the way, your facebook image profile is hilarious.

tutik wrote:

m | 9 z wrote:hmmm..guys, i think they're pushing through with the SMART MASONRY SYSTEM in this project. We were shortlisted on this bid but this SM System proved to be cheaper than the conventional. (labor and time-wise due to its mortar-less construction)
I dont really have an idea if they can be locally made but the website says, its from Australia.

Product info >>SmartMasonry<<

tfs sir! by the way, your facebook image profile is hilarious.

haha!, hindi kasi ako photogenic pag seryoso,

v_wrangler wrote:

tutik wrote:its been a long time coming. go green developments!

my dad used to bring me to the Manosa's compound at Lantana. brings back memories that inspired me to pursue architecture. Ms. Singh serve the best coffee and have a lot to thank her for! good to hear the place is up for a green development.

Pre, at 18+millions pesetas - ang mahal! Para ka nang bumili ng house and lot dito sa Japan.

Pero its a good start - It's nice to hear that the Manosas are starting a new trend... Sana lang medyo bumaba pa ng konti ang presyo..

Speaking of ECO: This is something Philippine manufactures could follow:

hahaha bro meron ng ganyan sa pinas since 2000 pa. produced by HCG. tipid sa tubig un nga lang hindi sigurado kung mabebenta hehehe isipin mo mag toothbursh ka na ang gamit mong tubig is parang dyan galing lol pero parang lang kasi magkaiba naman ng water inlet

I think some products with the word "green" labeled on them are highly overrated marketing strategy. It's like shipping rattan furniture from the Philippines, branding it as Wicker Works then selling it with a hefty price tag.

Nonetheless, some products really are authentic "green", which I might say reasonable to have such high prices considering the innovative technology, research funding and materials used to create such products. A real "green" product that has a value worth every penny.

I consider the new pavement bricks in Boracay made from solid wastes collected around the vicinity a good example of a green product. Hitting two birds with one stone: aesthetically pleasing walkways and solution to the garbage problem (Not sure though how they process it, by-products like chemical fumes might be produced. A no-green thingy. Haha!).

i'm not sure which body in phils certifies whether a product is 'green' or not. certainly you are right. anyone can just label it 'green' without any justification whether the process of manufacturing those products have undergone carbon management programmes (carbon emission reduction). but that is only product specific.

but what about the design to construction process, to 20years down the road?

bokkins wrote:Thanks tutik for the insights. I like Manosa but sometimes hate him. Lalo na pag ang client always talks about him. We were once commissioned to do something manosaist. what?!? anyway, hindi ko na din pala mapakita ang mga studies ko sa kanya since meron talaga siyang sarili nyang architectural standards. We had a project before na di nagkasundo ung modernist architect and manosa. pro nung pinagawa sa amin ung visualization, pasado kagad sa king of spain. the instituto cervantes.

I believe he is legendary when it comes to details and use of vernacular material. but unlike lindy locsin, manosa's short of innovation and advancement in terms of technology. I hope the younger ones would do this. He is to me the Frank Lloyd Wright of Philippine Architecture.

Own opinion ko lang ito ha. Debatable pa din. hehe. saka OT na ako.

Anyway, thanks sa 3 R's of being green. Sana talaga mapractice dito yan.

This is like going organic? which is so funny kasi sobrang mahal. Eh kung tutuusin, ganyan ang kinakain namin dati dun sa probinsya.

Back to topic. Baka ngayon mahal pa ang mga component ng pagiging green na installed dun sa townhouses na gawa nila. baka kasi gawa pa sa ibang bansa. if we start producing something like those or gawa tayo ng alternative solution using vernacular/local materials. from 18m baka 6m nalang yan. haha. also, 1 reason for that is hindi ka elite kung di mo kaya ang 18m na worth 8m lang. There always be an excess in everything elite.

Or Geoffrey Bawa of Philippines. Let's continue his crusade bro!