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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:31 am

I just wanted to ask if you're also having problems with the remuneration from clients especially the professional fee 5%. I seem to scare them off everytime I ask for it kasi. What happens is, I'll give them the schemes first then with the plan second and then I always end up not getting paid after. They just disappear.
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Post by qcksilver Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:57 am

Did they return the schemes? or they take it without any payment?
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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:23 am

They have a soft copy kasi... mejo aware aq sa mga tumatakas na client sa bayad but I was so eager to have them as my client kasi, i didn't think they will not pursue... mejo di n kasi nagpaparamdam. :-(
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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:24 am

They have a soft copy kasi... mejo aware aq sa mga tumatakas na client sa bayad but I was so eager to have them as my client kasi, i didn't think they will not pursue... mejo di n kasi nagpaparamdam. :-(
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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:38 am

I think the fault lies with me as well for giving them the copy without remuneration since dapat may remuneration bawat kilos ng architect according na rin sa Code of Ethics... but how does it work ba? Shall I show them lang but not give them the plans? Then ask for payment pag hiningi nila ung plans? Or will I seem rude? My goodness...
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Post by qcksilver Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:29 am

yan ang hirap ng market now sa Pinas, di ako makapagcomment since di ako nagpapractice dyan, hirap kasi sa mga client kapag nabigyan mo ng scheme papakita lang sa mga contractor etcha pwera na ang architect. mahirap nun sasabihin ayaw ang design.
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Post by qcksilver Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:31 am

since we are out of the country, kung pagilid gilid na work lang dito we see to it na may downpayment before we start the work, para kahit nabigyan namin ng scheme bayad na kami. full payment nalang for details drawings.
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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:48 am

Oo nga e, naiichapwera nga dito mga architects especially pag bhay ang projects. I was able to submit 6 revisions na ha since 2013 pa, then when they asked for another revision and told me if they could see the 3d before they engage, that's when I asked for payment na. Ang iniisip siguro nila, ang may bayad lang ay ung pag nakablueprints na. Di ko sila matanggihan since client sila ng mom ko sa furniture store. :-( so the suggestion po ba na maiooffer nyo is I have to stand by my decision to ask for payment pra di na maulit? That is a professional way to do it naman and it's not asking for too much, just the payment for the corresponding work. Or. May ibang option na win win situation?
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Post by qcksilver Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:09 am

wait natin ang may mas experience dyan, pero for me before doing anything dapat may down payment and contract listed scope.
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Post by jamesalbert Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:09 pm

before anything else sir, pagusapan niyo na ang scope of works mo, ipaliwanag mo kung ano yung mga babayaran sayo kasi madalas nga ang alam ng client ay ang contract documents ay yung babayaran satin at hindi yung process at hirap natin sa pagdesign (hindi yung intellectual product or yung creative work natin)at dapat always "black and white". Ako honestly wala pa kong nakuhang project pero almost sampo na ang dumaan sakin na ganyan na naamoy ko na. Para sa akin mas ok ng walang project kesa kuriputin at iiwan sa ere at magpagod sa wala. Sabi nga ng isang cgmaster dito wag mong hayaang maging cheap ang bayad sayo. Lalo na sa mga nagsisimula kasi pag mababa ang rate mo mahirap ng magtaas kapag hinog ka na. Payo ko lang sir pero nagsisimula pa din lang ako
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Post by kinshin Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:42 pm

Salamat jamesalbert. Mejo bago lang din kasi ako kaya di ko pa ako masyadong confident about putting a price on my work. Iniisip ko kasi baka nagkakamali lang ako hehe. Anyway, diba napag aralan natin na 10% of the total construction cost ang minimum na singil ng architect pag residential? Applicable ba un sa lahat ng residential? Kasi may naencounter ung dad ko (contractor sya) na project na ang binayad ng may-ari sa architect n gumawa nun is 50k. Sabihin n ntin na 1million lang ung project although maliit un base sa laki nung nakita kong townhouse. So 10% ng 1 mil ay 100k at least. Di ko tuloy alam if fixed rate ba nung architect un or what. Ano ang basis ng singilan pag ganun?
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Post by jamesalbert Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:04 pm

kinshin wrote:Salamat jamesalbert. Mejo bago lang din kasi ako kaya di ko pa ako masyadong confident about putting a price on my work. Iniisip ko kasi baka nagkakamali lang ako hehe. Anyway, diba napag aralan natin na 10% of the total construction cost ang minimum na singil ng architect pag residential? Applicable ba un sa lahat ng residential? Kasi may naencounter ung dad ko (contractor sya) na project na ang binayad ng may-ari sa architect n gumawa nun is 50k. Sabihin n ntin na 1million lang ung project although maliit un base sa laki nung nakita kong townhouse. So 10% ng 1 mil ay 100k at least. Di ko tuloy alam if fixed rate ba nung architect un or what. Ano ang basis ng singilan pag ganun?
Honeslty may ganyan ngang nangyayari na almost 5% lang ang nababayad sa architects at di nasusunod yung 10% na yan. Dahil nga sa sasabihin pa madalas ng owner na dun sa kilala niyang engineer ganto lang ang bayad. nangyari na yan sakin at mismong tita ko ang nagpagawa na tinanggihan ko kesa ganto daw at kesa ganyan, una pinaliwanag ko na may 15 years na pananagutan ako sa bahay na yan na kung ano man ang mangyari diyan at masira diyan in relation to faulty design ay pwede kong ipaayos in my own expense at kung doon sa engineer na kilala niyo eh ganyan lang edi dun na lang kayo magpagawa. Wag ka sir laging magbibigay ng soft copy, mas maganda kung in person lagi at kahit hard copy ay laging may watermark mo. Huwag mong lalagyan ng dimesions. At ayun di ko na nakuha yung project na yun Very Happy. Sabi nga nila if you are good in something don't make it for free. ito lang prinsipyo ko sir sana nakatulong
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Post by kinshin Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:58 am

Thank you ulit sir jamesalbert, na-enlighten n ako somehow. :-) fortunately, nagparamdam na itong client na tinutukoy ko and hinihingi nya na bank account ko. Hopefully makapaghulog na nga sila. Thanks guys! :-)
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Post by Rheinfell Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:08 am

For me sir, downpayment muna bago gawa, just in case na tatakas or di magbayad, di ka na talo or masayang gawa mo.. example: pwede singil ka muna ng 10k para sa gagawin mong design or drawing/ depende sa laki ng gagawin mo.. 
like me here in saudi, pag may magpapagawa sa akin ng kahit detail drawing (CAD) or render, nanghihingi kaagad ako ng downpayment let say 30-50%.. bago ko gagawin yung pinapagawa/request nya.. then later on pag tapos na, saka mo sisingilin ng kulang or mag iwan ka lang ng 10% just in case pag may revision. Pero bago kayo magkasaraduhan ng deal, dapat may black & white agreement para fair both costumer & designer.

dapat "no downpayment , no work"... tsaka wag ka magbibigay ng soft copy, may mga costumer na pag nakuha na nya yung gusto nya, bigla na lang nawawala or sasabihing di na lang niya ituloy yung pinapagawa nya...

or minsan sasabihin nya, marami pa akong ipapagawa sa'yong project Smile tapos sasabihin nya babawi tayo sa susunod, pag bigyan mo lang ako ngayon para makuha natin yung mas malaking trabaho... (malabo yan). 
  
base on my experience.. Smile nadenggoy din ako noon Sad  yun lang Smile
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