3D rates and compensation.

Just a simple explanation lang po.. na post ko na ito sa isang forum. post ko na lang din dito para sa hinde nakakaalam.

Example of freelance 3d output and rates you can view it here as a reference.http://phoenix3d.cn/rendering.asp

Dont' ever base your price because it's done over night or you are just using evermorion archmodels, pinaghirapan mo pa rin ilawan at pagandahin yun.. base your price according to this.

This is the example of per view 3Dperspective on how you will charge your client.

1. Software used
2. Your personal rate (Siempre pag-rush mas mataas ng konti)
3. miscellanoues (Electricity/computer etc.)
4. others bahala ka na. (10-15% Overhead profit, tax if you are law abiding citizen)

Make things in black and white and be professional in every aspect you dealing to your client. Educate them properly how the 3D to be done. Ask for downpayment or give them the smallest image maybe around 600pixel with watermark in the middle just to show how the finish product will look like before you let the ball rollin'.

In compensation..

1. It depends in what country you are base. In the philippines better ask for above minimum rate, in other country like SG, Dubai, Canada and etc.. they also have standard or minimum rates. Take note in other country the cost of living is very high.
2. Experience - longer experience the higher you can demand.
3. Professional background siempre. some of the employers in the PH. they don't look at educational attainment of the person.. kasi mas mura sila pag-ni-hire. Pero in other country siempre hinde puede yun atleast college graduate ka with connection in architecture.
4. Make a concrete portfolio, sometimes the employer they base the compensation by looking on your sample of works.

Everything that i wrote above is base on my exprience and some research as well. kung may idadagdag kayo ilagay lang ninyo.. hehehe

hope it helps.

natski08


PS. wag sana gagaya sa iba na sige lang kahit mababa kunin. bahala na masira ang 3D industry kumita lang.. babalik din satin lahat ang mali. kamot ulo na lang tayo at magmumura habang ginagwa ang mura.

tama ka brop ako din lagi akong tinakasan hindi nagbabayad!

Ayos tong post mo natski, mabuhay ka bro!

blowout naman dyan...heheheh.

I like this post, meron akong natutunan, ang bait ko pala, akala ko kasi lahat sa industry natin mga professional, hindi pala, if you can remember the TV station na pinost ko dito, inovernight ko ng two days kasi rush yun, 4 options pa, two weeks na, hindi ko alam kung mababayaran pako. hindi na kasi sumasagot sa mga calls ko..hay grabe.. next time alam ko na gagawin ko..salamat dito sir natski08..God BLess po sa lahat...

thanks for sharing!

ayus tong post na to ah bro makakatulong to sa iba.
tip ko lang sa iba pag gagawa ka sa dmo kakilala kahit kilala mo narin 50% down agad after ng agreement nyo sa project then 2 designs lang pakita mo kada presentation mapalabas man (sa kapehan / office ng client / office mo / internet) pero dapat kabit mo agad yung gusto ng client mo o ika nga bukod sa nakuha mo ung gusto nya malakas ang dating ng pagkatirada mo sa designs mo..kelangan lang confident ka na astig ang gawa mo
wag mo kalimutan ung balance bago mo ipasa lahat ng source ng project mo.

pag me parevision sya additional charge agad pero dapat sa unang meet nyo napagusapan nyo na yun kada me revision / additional elements / text contents / pics / drawings / animation me bayad lagi ika nga me control karin sa pagserbisyo sa client mo' sympre tumtakabo dyan ung labor mo / electric bill /

sa mga clients na barat o kuripot ignore mo na agad wag mo na pagkaksayahan ng panahon pag makulit padalhan mo ng picture ni borat.marami pa dyan na ok na magbayad bastat matyaga kalang maghanap o makipagusap

sa ibang bansa me mga kakilala ako na undergraduates pero malulupet sa cg karamihan pa nga yumaman dahil yan sa sipag at determinasyon / passion sa trabaho bastat madeskarte kalang ayus na buto buto mo.

ang kelangan lang sa ganito o kahit saang uri ng trabaho : maasahan / tiwala / mabilis / propesyonal / komunikasyon...

eto ay base lamang sa aking experience sanay etoy makatulong din

gamitan ni boratski ng panty ung client mong barat mala tirador type...wapppakkzz

i like this post bro..salamt dito..alam ko na ggawin ko next time..

natski08 wrote:Dont' ever base your price because it's done over night or you are just using evermorion archmodels, pinaghirapan mo pa rin ilawan at pagandahin yun.

good thread bro... i respect you opinion bro and i would like to give mine either. We all know na every seasoned cgartist have their huge amount of libraries (thanks to evermotion, other free downloadable stuffs and self-organization) like models and textures, even personal library for max and vray or better, rendering presets and scenes. Kaya bakit mo icharge ng malaki ang isang client sa bagay na hindi mo naman talaga 100% ginawa or at least 75% mong ginawa? i mean, like evermotion... let's say u change the texture... but we all know changing textures or material is not "that" hard to do. Be reasonable and humane... i know maraming client ang manloloko pero kung icharge natin sila sa presyo na alam naman natin na easy money lang ung paggawa ng project kasi nga parang lego lang sya na bubuuin and lighting lang ung i-setup (that is, kung wala tayong presets) i guess mas magiging masahol pa tayo na manloloko. kaya hinay-hinay lang mga bro sa pagsingil. And isa pa... wag nating gawing reason na rush kasi kaya mahal... tapos ang output naman i-rush din ang quality kasi it doesn't make sense. kung sisingilin natin ng mahal kasi rush make sure na base sa price ang output na ibibigay natin and hindi ung "pwede na yan kasi rush naman" kasi they will pay good money kaya good output din dapat. Sabi nga if you can't deliver on time say NO. Wag tayong matutukso sa pagkuha ng project kung alam natin na hindi kakayanin sa deadline or makakaya naman kaso mabababoy ung gawa.

Hope makatulong... opinion lang po yan

presets? agree ako dyan bro kung presets lang yan bat ka maninigli ng mahal ano? dapat maganda from scratch ika nga paubusan ng buhok sa ilong bago ka maningil ng medyo malaki laki..

kietsmark wrote:

natski08 wrote:Dont' ever base your price because it's done over night or you are just using evermorion archmodels, pinaghirapan mo pa rin ilawan at pagandahin yun.

good thread bro... i respect you opinion bro and i would like to give mine either. We all know na every seasoned cgartist have their huge amount of libraries (thanks to evermotion, other free downloadable stuffs and self-organization) like models and textures, even personal library for max and vray or better, rendering presets and scenes. Kaya bakit mo icharge ng malaki ang isang client sa bagay na hindi mo naman talaga 100% ginawa or at least 75% mong ginawa? i mean, like evermotion... let's say u change the texture... but we all know changing textures or material is not "that" hard to do. Be reasonable and humane... i know maraming client ang manloloko pero kung icharge natin sila sa presyo na alam naman natin na easy money lang ung paggawa ng project kasi nga parang lego lang sya na bubuuin and lighting lang ung i-setup (that is, kung wala tayong presets) i guess mas magiging masahol pa tayo na manloloko. kaya hinay-hinay lang mga bro sa pagsingil. And isa pa... wag nating gawing reason na rush kasi kaya mahal... tapos ang output naman i-rush din ang quality kasi it doesn't make sense. kung sisingilin natin ng mahal kasi rush make sure na base sa price ang output na ibibigay natin and hindi ung "pwede na yan kasi rush naman" kasi they will pay good money kaya good output din dapat. Sabi nga if you can't deliver on time say NO. Wag tayong matutukso sa pagkuha ng project kung alam natin na hindi kakayanin sa deadline or makakaya naman kaso mabababoy ung gawa.

Hope makatulong... opinion lang po yan

i respect din po your opinion comment lang po ako..

sir kiestmark. Eh wala naman akong sinabi na maningil ka ng malaki kaya nga may dapat kang pag-basehan, wala din ako sinabi na manloko tayo at maging masahol pa tayo sa manloloko.. ni hinde ko nga isinulat dyan kung ilan ang minodel o hinde mo minodel at singilin mo yung client ng per model.... yung rate mo lang.. fair enough sa client yan... bakit hinde puedeng i-reason ang rush.. mukhang malabo ata yun.. puede po yun pag-rush puede ka mag-taas ng konti di ko naman ule sinabi na mag-charge ka ng malaki po.. at bakit ka naman gagawa ng hinde mo kayang pagandahin kung rush o tapusin sa schedule natural alam mo dapat yung limitasyon mo.. ako kaya ko gawing maganda kahit rush at hinde pa ko nag-reason out sa client ko na "rush kasi kaya ganyan lang". pag-di nya nagustuhan di ko na ibibigay yung gawa ko. Kaya nga educate your client before kayo mag-close deal or ipakita mo yung mga sample of works mo kasi yung iba di kasi mapaganda yung gawa kahit ang tagal na gawin ang sasabihin rush kasi. yun ang mali..

salamt po..

hmmmmmm....

dahan dahan lang ha....

nice thread sir nat..

i'll just share my thoughts regarding this one.. i've read this thing way long time ago, good thing i found it again in the net..

http://www.sixside.com/fast_good_cheap.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_triangle

Fast, Good or Cheap. Pick two.

Below is The Designers Holy Triangle! When creating a project, clients must choose only two out of the three options. They can't have it all. It's a reality of life, clients must deal with it. Designers must deal with it.


Good + Fast = Expensive
Choose good and fast and we will postpone every other job, cancel all appointments and stay up 25-hours a day just to get your job done. But, don't expect it to be cheap.

Good + Cheap = Slow
Choose good and cheap and we will do a great job for a discounted price, but be patient until we have a free moment from paying clients.

Fast + Cheap = Inferior
Choose fast and cheap and expect an inferior job delivered on time. You truly get what you pay for, and in our opinion this is the least favorable choice of the three.

As simple as that..

natski08 wrote:

kietsmark wrote:

natski08 wrote:Dont' ever base your price because it's done over night or you are just using evermorion archmodels, pinaghirapan mo pa rin ilawan at pagandahin yun.

good thread bro... i respect you opinion bro and i would like to give mine either. We all know na every seasoned cgartist have their huge amount of libraries (thanks to evermotion, other free downloadable stuffs and self-organization) like models and textures, even personal library for max and vray or better, rendering presets and scenes. Kaya bakit mo icharge ng malaki ang isang client sa bagay na hindi mo naman talaga 100% ginawa or at least 75% mong ginawa? i mean, like evermotion... let's say u change the texture... but we all know changing textures or material is not "that" hard to do. Be reasonable and humane... i know maraming client ang manloloko pero kung icharge natin sila sa presyo na alam naman natin na easy money lang ung paggawa ng project kasi nga parang lego lang sya na bubuuin and lighting lang ung i-setup (that is, kung wala tayong presets) i guess mas magiging masahol pa tayo na manloloko. kaya hinay-hinay lang mga bro sa pagsingil. And isa pa... wag nating gawing reason na rush kasi kaya mahal... tapos ang output naman i-rush din ang quality kasi it doesn't make sense. kung sisingilin natin ng mahal kasi rush make sure na base sa price ang output na ibibigay natin and hindi ung "pwede na yan kasi rush naman" kasi they will pay good money kaya good output din dapat. Sabi nga if you can't deliver on time say NO. Wag tayong matutukso sa pagkuha ng project kung alam natin na hindi kakayanin sa deadline or makakaya naman kaso mabababoy ung gawa.

Hope makatulong... opinion lang po yan

i respect din po your opinion comment lang po ako..

sir kiestmark. Eh wala naman akong sinabi na maningil ka ng malaki kaya nga may dapat kang pag-basehan, wala din ako sinabi na manloko tayo at maging masahol pa tayo sa manloloko.. ni hinde ko nga isinulat dyan kung ilan ang minodel o hinde mo minodel at singilin mo yung client ng per model.... yung rate mo lang.. fair enough sa client yan... bakit hinde puedeng i-reason ang rush.. mukhang malabo ata yun.. puede po yun pag-rush puede ka mag-taas ng konti di ko naman ule sinabi na mag-charge ka ng malaki po.. at bakit ka naman gagawa ng hinde mo kayang pagandahin kung rush o tapusin sa schedule natural alam mo dapat yung limitasyon mo.. ako kaya ko gawing maganda kahit rush at hinde pa ko nag-reason out sa client ko na "rush kasi kaya ganyan lang". pag-di nya nagustuhan di ko na ibibigay yung gawa ko. Kaya nga educate your client before kayo mag-close deal or ipakita mo yung mga sample of works mo kasi yung iba di kasi mapaganda yung gawa kahit ang tagal na gawin ang sasabihin rush kasi. yun ang mali..

salamt po..

ic... very well-stated and clear bro

i like ur way sir abl.... simple yet effective... me punto ika nga... from there we will have our idea.. pero importante din that we know our basic rate.

abl_langs wrote:nice thread sir nat..

i'll just share my thoughts regarding this one.. i've read this thing way long time ago, good thing i found it again in the net..

http://www.sixside.com/fast_good_cheap.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_triangle

Fast, Good or Cheap. Pick two.

Below is The Designers Holy Triangle! When creating a project, clients must choose only two out of the three options. They can't have it all. It's a reality of life, clients must deal with it. Designers must deal with it.

i think i"ll post this on our walls where it will be readable; pahiram master abl_langs?...

Good + Fast = Expensive
Choose good and fast and we will postpone every other job, cancel all appointments and stay up 25-hours a day just to get your job done. But, don't expect it to be cheap.

Good + Cheap = Slow
Choose good and cheap and we will do a great job for a discounted price, but be patient until we have a free moment from paying clients.

Fast + Cheap = Inferior
Choose fast and cheap and expect an inferior job delivered on time. You truly get what you pay for, and in our opinion this is the least favorable choice of the three.

As simple as that.. --- pahiram master abl_langs post ko sa walls namin

my views on this in blue. i am running a 3d business here so the cost to production aspect is very important. otherwise, ginawa ko na lang hobby ito.

good thread bro... i respect you opinion bro and i would like to give mine either. We all know na every seasoned cgartist have their huge amount of libraries (thanks to evermotion, other free downloadable stuffs and self-organization) like models and textures, even personal library for max and vray or better, rendering presets and scenes. Kaya bakit mo icharge ng malaki ang isang client sa bagay na hindi mo naman talaga 100% ginawa or at least 75% mong ginawa? i mean, like evermotion... let's say u change the texture... but we all know changing textures or material is not "that" hard to do. Be reasonable and humane... i know maraming client ang manloloko pero kung icharge natin sila sa presyo na alam naman natin na easy money lang ung paggawa ng project kasi nga parang lego lang sya na bubuuin and lighting lang ung i-setup (that is, kung wala tayong presets) i guess mas magiging masahol pa tayo na manloloko. kaya hinay-hinay lang mga bro sa pagsingil.

if i follow this argument wala siyang difference sa abogado na me SCRA volumes na di naman niya ginawa pero basis lang for making a legal decision. Ganun din sa 3D, kahit na sang library mo pa dinownload yan, it shouldn't matter.

And isa pa... wag nating gawing reason na rush kasi kaya mahal... tapos ang output naman i-rush din ang quality kasi it doesn't make sense. kung sisingilin natin ng mahal kasi rush make sure na base sa price ang output na ibibigay natin and hindi ung "pwede na yan kasi rush naman" kasi they will pay good money kaya good output din dapat. Sabi nga if you can't deliver on time say NO. Wag tayong matutukso sa pagkuha ng project kung alam natin na hindi kakayanin sa deadline or makakaya naman kaso mabababoy ung gawa.

I agree. Pero if you are capable of doing a good job kahit rush, ask for a premium. Charge more. If the client knows that you can do it that fast and at the same price, e di magpapagawa lang yan last minute. Kaya nga mas mahal ang express delivery kesa normal delivery diba?

Hope makatulong... opinion lang po yan

Guys it doesn't matter if a simple revision is easy. Before you are even able to say that it is easy, you had to labor hours reading tutorials and figuring out 3D tricks. To us it is, we are trained CG artists. To a doctor, prescribing the right antibiotic is easy as well - but normal people wouldn't know right?

well said master idol mushroom.

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AutoCAD, 3ds Max, PS, & other CG softwares are just tools. we are not being paid on the basis of having tons of objects, texture... etc... having all of these tools are not a guarantee of quality. not anyone who has a collection of EV objects can produce a rational & quality output.

if i were to hire someone to do work for me, i will consider this 3:

1. costumer service
2. creative talent
3. skills & experience

because this is what i'm paying him for.


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mga sir ang sakin lng ke manual o 3d pa yan magstick tau sa prof.fee basis(architects law r.a 9266)..kng 10% man singil mo o less than ten...as an ARCHITECT O DESIGNER PART PARIN YAN NG SERVICES NATIN.walang pakialam client kng gano kahirap o pano mo ginawa mga presntation mo kc un ung work mo as an architect o designer..kng gsto natin maeducate ang client ntin unang meeting palang pakitahan na ntin cla ng black and white contract..mas maganda kng unang meeting nyu pa lng,services muna paguusapan nyu and ung price mo,kng pmayag cia sa price mo pirmahan na kagad,hindi ka ngaun kakabahan na d ka mababayaran.sa unang meeting nyo pa lng dapat magdodown na c client sa services mo.prng doctor o abogado consultation plng tumatakbo na metro nila...as my personal exprience nung asa pinas pa ko ganun gnagawa ko.until na d pa tapos c project kadamay parin ako sa construction as until turn over kay client.asa sau nmn kng pano mo sisingilin si client sa mga services mo kng mgkano ika ng sa presyo lng yan at services mo,basta black and white lagi kau...always remember this ''GOOD WORK IS NEVER CHEAP AND CHEAP WORK IS NEVER GOOD''....for architect and designer lng po WALA PONG ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN O ANY KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL FORM NA LIBRE PRA SA CLIENT....

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sorry but R.A. 9266 doesn't apply here sir. but your point is entirely correct. magandang topic 'to. baka pde nyo pong start sa discussion forum.


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