PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ 3

nomeradona wrote:I did not manage to see the live one. I got some different opinions all over. from espn. from hbo, sa facebook etc. yung tema ay pareho nito. I managed to download the whole video of the fight and i watch it of course i had already the feedback from the different sides. I kept replaying stuff and tried to analyzed round by round ayun napuyat. I had no doubt the fight was so close until the last 12th round. It can either go to anyone of them. Marquez did managed to hit some of the hard shots. But Pacquiao led most of the round with number of punches given and landed. It was all about the style. Marquez crafty counterpunching is very intimidating with Manny. This was the plan of Marquez. The main arsenal of Pacman was inhibited (parang naparalize nga). Now the question is what if tira ng tira si Pacquiao. could he win? maybe and maybe not. He choose to be more wiser in his fight. Entertaining not at all. Its all about winning (parang Mayweather). Even Manny's corner knows about it.. therefore if the tactic was sugod and sugod malamang talo sya o maka chamba. So Roach and Bubuy had told him many times to do forward strike and atras.

Again it can go either way. Unfortunately judges often give favor to the one who execute the offense more. yung umaatake hindi yung naghihintay. Yung agressor, hindi yung counter attack lang. Now if both of them are tied in everything, it will just really boils down kung sino ang agressor. Did the judges rob Marquez the fight? I dont think so. The judging was very fair if you will see again and again the replay. You have to blame his Marquez corner. They told him that he was winning. So in the end Marquez played safe in the last round. If he became agressive perhaps it was a draw....

I beleive Roach, and Manny did learn from this. I know people will do counterpunching with Manny, it was proven this as his Achiles' heals. I am sure Mayweather will do the same, if Manny and Floyd will meet. But I bet. Roach and Manny will try to move one step ahead in countering fighters who are tactician and employing like what Marquez did.


sir nomer, this is a very good observation. i do agree of what you've said here. because if you watch it live you'll be having a 2nd thought that it should be awarded to Marquez. but i also watched the replay and it CONVINCED me that Manny was the real winner here. no offense sa mga maka JMM. pero that is the truth. ito na lang, just base the scoring sa last 3 rounds 10-12 marquez was on safe mode he thought he was leading. ang mali lang talaga dito masyado tayo nagEXPECT which Manny failed to do so. and i dont also believe this was just a bait for Mayweather...i dont think so guys. round 9 he was trying to knock marquez out but masyado talagang mailap ang tadhana sa kanya nung gabing yun.if mayweather vs pacquiao thats another story.... i love to see manny winning coz my mind and heart as a filipino goes for him but i would pick fmj for that one. well enough said, at the end of the day its still Manny who knows the reason why. we're just here as filipinos supporting for him. sana maging happy na lang tayo sa naging outcome

torvicz wrote:Sana mala Junior Dos Santos at Cain ang nangyari para walang usapan. hehe

Grabeng laban!

Sorry OT.

mokong wrote:if tuloy ang laban ni mayweather, kay pacman pa rin ako.. pinoy tayo eh.. i know it was just an off night just like jordan having only 5 pts. in a basketball game..

yaug_03 wrote:

torvicz wrote:Sana mala Junior Dos Santos at Cain ang nangyari para walang usapan. hehe

Grabeng laban!

Sorry OT.

Napanuod ko ito, talo ako sa pustahan dito.

torvicz wrote:

mokong wrote:if tuloy ang laban ni mayweather, kay pacman pa rin ako.. pinoy tayo eh.. i know it was just an off night just like jordan having only 5 pts. in a basketball game..

Tuloy man ang laban ni Gayweather o hindi Manny pa rin tayo, but that's not what the topic is about dude Moks.
The TS is asking what do we think of the fight.
Layo muna tayo sa personalidad and look at it as a boxing analyst, para di biased. Tutal kwentuhan lang naman to eh.

mokong wrote:

torvicz wrote:

mokong wrote:if tuloy ang laban ni mayweather, kay pacman pa rin ako.. pinoy tayo eh.. i know it was just an off night just like jordan having only 5 pts. in a basketball game..

Tuloy man ang laban ni Gayweather o hindi Manny pa rin tayo, but that's not what the topic is about dude Moks.
The TS is asking what do we think of the fight.
Layo muna tayo sa personalidad and look at it as a boxing analyst, para di biased. Tutal kwentuhan lang naman to eh.

sorry dude na pa OT..

torvicz wrote:

yaug_03 wrote:

torvicz wrote:Sana mala Junior Dos Santos at Cain ang nangyari para walang usapan. hehe

Grabeng laban!

Sorry OT.

Napanuod ko ito, talo ako sa pustahan dito.

Pumusta ka?! bwahahah magkanu dude at saan?
I thought Junior would win, but I did not expect it that quick.

Sorry OT>

tutik wrote:cut and paste ko lang:

"Why Manny Won

In a 10-point system, the boxer who wins a round is given 10 points, and the other boxer gets nine points. (10 -9)
If there was a knockdown in the round (10-8)
2 knock downs (10-7)
If a judge can't decide who won the round, it is scored 10-10.
Now if you are the challenger, you must be the aggressor (Pacquiao vs Cotto) in very close rounds the Champion gets the 10.
For example if Pacquiao would just stay still and Marquez does not attack, Pacquiao gets the 10 and Marquez 9.
In this case Manny (champion) was always aggressive while Marquez (challenger) waits for an attack and counters.
Marquez's body language fooled a lot of people.
Making people feel that he was the winner or at least it was a draw.
It may look like he was landing more punches but the tricky part here
is he¬ was on the defensive, luring Pacquiao into his tactical traps
(remember the challenger must be the one¬ who is aggressive to be
awarded 10 ).
So even if Marquez did connect more punches, he gets
only 9 for being defensive and Manny gets the 10 for being the
attacker.
Pacquiao got more "10"s than Marquez. Manny wins.
Why Manny won? "Manny knows..."

whey09 wrote:ganun pala yun,,

torvicz wrote:I don't think it's a tactic to make Floyd fight Manny, that's ridiculous.
Knowing Manny, di naman nya kelangan maghabol ng laban. Sa part ni Floyd siguro, baka maisipan nyang labanan na si Manny kasi perhaps nakakita sya ng weakness kay Manny, but for Manny to make it as a tactic, I don't think so. Remember, Roach predicted a 1st round knockout.

mokong wrote:this is how we was trick by marquez.. napansin ko rin ito sa laban nila...

http://rkmagfeelingexpert.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/juan-manuel-marquez-dirty-boxing-trick-exposed/

Stop at this time values and observe the dirty little trick of Marquez. Notice Marquez trying to step over the foot of Manny.
Foot Step Part 1 = 4th Round last 11 seconds
Foot Step Part 2 = 6th Round last 1:18 seconds
Foot Step Part 3 = 7th Round last 1:49 seconds
Foot Step Part 4 = 8th Round last 1:27 seconds
Foot Step Part 5 = 12th Round last 1:23 seconds
Foot Step Part 6 = 12th Round last 52 seconds

silvercrown wrote:I agree with dude torvicz observation...

Im a huge fan of Manny but this time around, he lost big time! I just can't fool myself and believe something that is not true, even if I tried to insist the foolish idea.... Marquez is way superior than Manny on that fight... Way superior that the 2 previous fights.
He came well prepared for the fight, He studied Manny very well...
Manny is very tentative, confused maybe? Maybe he didn't expect Marquez to be that well prepared? Or maybe he's distracted? Ahhh women...

Manny was the Agressor... Of course he should! He wants to fulfill the prediction of crushing Marquez on early rounds! (I also predicted Manny winning by KO on early rounds)... After the 5th round Manny upped his agression, simply because he knows he's behind on points! He's lunging everytime he throws his jabs (hence the accidental headbutt), according to Buboy Fernandez "labas-pasok, labas-pasok" just throwing a single jab while Marquez would counter 3 punch combo with sharp precision and power... Manny would wince everytime he's hit, one of the things i didn't expect...

I don't believe in the tapak-paa daya thing.... It's bound to happen... 1st because of the stance of both boxers, 2nd is Manny would go in first and Of course Marquez would likely stepped on Mannys foot while throwing his counter punches... Manny NEVER complained about this.... It did happen on their previous fights....

The loss was very much visible in Manny's action... He didn't raise his hand after the fight, a thing he usually do. He do the sign of the cross 1000 times. He was surprised when he was proclaimed the winner (his corner too). He LIED when he said "he clearly won the fight"... (how could that be clear?)

Marquez 115-113