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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:11 am

mga master help nman po. paano po ba connection ng Steel i-beam s R.C dropped wall?
ang naisip ko kc welding na lang yong vertical bars sa I-beam tapos buhusan na yong dropped wall..

please help
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Post by remlex Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:18 am

pwede rin bro welding mo ung ver bars...pero hintayin natin ung mga structural engineer baka meron pa clang tekniks dyan.. thumbsup
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:24 am

remlex wrote:pwede rin bro welding mo ung ver bars...pero hintayin natin ung mga structural engineer baka meron pa clang tekniks dyan.. thumbsup

salamat s pgdaan sir...
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Post by render master Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:29 am

ok na iyan 2thumbsup
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:41 am

render master wrote:ok na iyan 2thumbsup

salamt mga sir... Very Happy
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Post by jenaro Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:45 am

ang design na pede dito is depende sa load capacity ng dropped wall at sa i-beam na gagamitin...welds to rebar for me is the last option on this,ang sagwa naman kung iweweld mo sa rebar ang i-beam,kahit pa tambulan yan o pakain sa cement eventually masisira ang wall,first option on this is make a base plate bolted on dropped wall,chemical bolt much better than expansion bolt,depende sa wall kung expose ba sya o sa interior.tapos after na may base plate ka na dun ka pede magweld sa i-beam...hope makatulong.
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:06 am

salamat sir.. Very Happy
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Post by henryM Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:33 am

drawing mo pre para makita natin. nang sa gayon maisaayos natin. hindi ganun kadali yan. san ba naka connect ung drop wall mo? at ano naman ang live load ng i-beam na i-carry nya. section mo sir. tingnan natin.
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Post by 3dpjumong2007 Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:55 am

yap tama si sir henry bro give us the details so we can help , marami din ako experiences sa ibeam , pang exterior ba na drop wall or interior sya ng building? fabricator din kasi ako and i have long exposure when it comes to bakal..
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Post by render master Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:08 am

3dpjumong2007 wrote:yap tama si sir henry bro give us the details so we can help , marami din ako experiences sa ibeam , pang exterior ba na drop wall or interior sya ng building? fabricator din kasi ako and i have long exposure when it comes to bakal..

ok yan hehehe
ako naman nag sstructural analysis
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Post by henryM Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:11 am

yap tama si sir henry bro give us the details so we can help , marami din ako experiences sa ibeam , pang exterior ba na drop wall or interior sya ng building? fabricator din kasi ako and i have long exposure when it comes to bakal..

yes sir jumong. fabricator ka pala. ang structural designer ko pre ay si engr.lorenzo dy.
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Post by jenaro Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:06 am

yan full force na...may structural designer,structural detailer,fabricator...ano pa ba?at taga benta ng bakal sa junk shop(ako)... Laughing
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Post by mokong Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:58 am

give us some plan and some details kung ano gusto iparating mo..
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Post by V2Rockets Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:28 am

jenaro wrote:ang design na pede dito is depende sa load capacity ng dropped wall at sa i-beam na gagamitin...welds to rebar for me is the last option on this,ang sagwa naman kung iweweld mo sa rebar ang i-beam,kahit pa tambulan yan o pakain sa cement eventually masisira ang wall,first option on this is make a base plate bolted on dropped wall,chemical bolt much better than expansion bolt,depende sa wall kung expose ba sya o sa interior.tapos after na may base plate ka na dun ka pede magweld sa i-beam...hope makatulong.

agree with the pran,,,me mag kaiba kasi silang behavior,,,usually nga me high density rubber pa (if i get the right term)na nilalagay pa between the beam and the top of concrete kung mag papatong sila ng beam sa wall,,,it is to protect the concrete sa movements ng beam,,posible din kung welded sa rc but,,,its too risky,,,its okey kung kahit pano me support ka na post kahit pano,,a wall is a still a wall weather its non-bearing or not,,,

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Post by mokong Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:48 am

tanong ko nga,
gaano kalaki ang I-Beam mo?
thickness ng R.C. wall?

post mo din section detail ng wall..
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Post by jean7 Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:26 pm

mas mainam yata kung i-separate yung reinforcement ng rc dropped wall sa connection sa I-beam/W-Flange. Puwedeng maglagay ng stud connectors (round bars) welded sa W-flange o kaya ay channel (perpendicular sa length ng beam) para magsilbing shear resistance ng rc wall. Lalo na kung external wall ito, malakas ang wind pressure, at least hindi stressed ang rc wall reinforcement dahil merong ibang nag-reresist, IMHO lang...

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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:56 pm

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salamat sa mga ngreply mga sir.sensya na din kung ngayon lang nakareply uwiian na ksi nmin khapon.. eto na yong section bali exterior wall sya 2.50 meters yong dropped wall, yong STG-1 yon yong I-BEAM sir. ROLLED SECTION 12 B 14.. one-storey nga lang pla project na eto Blue-wave extension eto.. slamat mga master
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Post by henryM Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:01 pm

sir may structural designer pala kau. consult mo muna cya. cya kasi may liability sa design na yan.
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:07 pm

henryM wrote:sir may structural designer pala kau. consult mo muna cya. cya kasi may liability sa design na yan.

salamat sir hendry...senya na sir at ngaun lng nkapagpost..

sir khit concept lang kung paano ung connection ng vertical bars sa STEEL I-BEAM? tagal ksi magreply ng struc'l nmin kya naisip ko kpag ngawa n ko na pcheck ko nlng sa knya..isang way tlaga na naisip ko welding nlng sa steel i-beam ung vert. bars tpos provide ng horizontal bars din buhusan ko na yong dropped wall...
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Post by mokong Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:40 pm

weld mo na lng xa sa vertical bars and provide ng 12 or 16mm diam. steel for achorage pra kumapit ng husto sa concrete.. this is good if sabay sila sa buhos.. if ang concrete wall is existing na, advice ko lng gawa ng panibagong column.. one storey lng pala to walang prolema yan... Very Happy
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:43 pm

mokong wrote:weld mo na lng xa sa vertical bars and provide ng 12 or 16mm diam. steel for achorage pra kumapit ng husto sa concrete.. this is good if sabay sila sa buhos.. if ang concrete wall is existing na, advice ko lng gawa ng panibagong column.. one storey lng pala to walang prolema yan... Very Happy

maraming salamat sir mokong...gud day thumbsup
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Post by jenaro Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:32 pm

V2Rockets wrote:
jenaro wrote:ang design na pede dito is depende sa load capacity ng dropped wall at sa i-beam na gagamitin...welds to rebar for me is the last option on this,ang sagwa naman kung iweweld mo sa rebar ang i-beam,kahit pa tambulan yan o pakain sa cement eventually masisira ang wall,first option on this is make a base plate bolted on dropped wall,chemical bolt much better than expansion bolt,depende sa wall kung expose ba sya o sa interior.tapos after na may base plate ka na dun ka pede magweld sa i-beam...hope makatulong.

agree with the pran,,,me mag kaiba kasi silang behavior,,,usually nga me high density rubber pa (if i get the right term)na nilalagay pa between the beam and the top of concrete kung mag papatong sila ng beam sa wall,,,it is to protect the concrete sa movements ng beam,,posible din kung welded sa rc but,,,its too risky,,,its okey kung kahit pano me support ka na post kahit pano,,a wall is a still a wall weather its non-bearing or not,,,
you got it bro! thumbsup
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Post by manex Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:14 pm

jenaro wrote:
V2Rockets wrote:
jenaro wrote:ang design na pede dito is depende sa load capacity ng dropped wall at sa i-beam na gagamitin...welds to rebar for me is the last option on this,ang sagwa naman kung iweweld mo sa rebar ang i-beam,kahit pa tambulan yan o pakain sa cement eventually masisira ang wall,first option on this is make a base plate bolted on dropped wall,chemical bolt much better than expansion bolt,depende sa wall kung expose ba sya o sa interior.tapos after na may base plate ka na dun ka pede magweld sa i-beam...hope makatulong.

agree with the pran,,,me mag kaiba kasi silang behavior,,,usually nga me high density rubber pa (if i get the right term)na nilalagay pa between the beam and the top of concrete kung mag papatong sila ng beam sa wall,,,it is to protect the concrete sa movements ng beam,,posible din kung welded sa rc but,,,its too risky,,,its okey kung kahit pano me support ka na post kahit pano,,a wall is a still a wall weather its non-bearing or not,,,
you got it bro! thumbsup

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