VFX THE HAND
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ronsapinoso- CGP Newbie
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by v_wrangler Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:10 am
Nice Ron! I'm suprised that no one here has commented yet: So allow me:
This is how I'd do a retake no 2: (assuming you'd want to do this in 2D)
1. I'd wrap a blue tape around the wrist that I would key later. Without it the edges will be dancing around and would take away the illusion.
2. I'd separate it into two elements (foreground and background). This will help when you animate the zoom and the pans.
Sometimes to get away with the illusion and to hide the fakery done for the shot - we should use camera moves that mimic the real thing. A 2D digital pan would not give justice to the effects.
Couple all this by showing the thickness of the cut hand (either by 3d or 2D) and you will get away with a much more convincing shot.
Do you have still have the footage without the hand? Let's track it and try the hand in 3d or camera map the background..
Saang komiks nga ba ito?
NOTE: very important for vfx: It is very difficult to do a fantasy vfx because the viewers already know right from the start that the elements aren't real. By carefully disclosing, elements that would contradict the audiences' initial belief (e.g. using pans and zooms that mimic a real camera, by showing at the end - dimension of the hand, interaction with a real person or thing that the viewers can relate to), the audiences get confused and voluntary submit to the illusion.
if the above are achieved - I can say that the vfx can and will contribute to the success of the story.
Goodluck!
This is how I'd do a retake no 2: (assuming you'd want to do this in 2D)
1. I'd wrap a blue tape around the wrist that I would key later. Without it the edges will be dancing around and would take away the illusion.
2. I'd separate it into two elements (foreground and background). This will help when you animate the zoom and the pans.
Sometimes to get away with the illusion and to hide the fakery done for the shot - we should use camera moves that mimic the real thing. A 2D digital pan would not give justice to the effects.
Couple all this by showing the thickness of the cut hand (either by 3d or 2D) and you will get away with a much more convincing shot.
Do you have still have the footage without the hand? Let's track it and try the hand in 3d or camera map the background..
Saang komiks nga ba ito?
NOTE: very important for vfx: It is very difficult to do a fantasy vfx because the viewers already know right from the start that the elements aren't real. By carefully disclosing, elements that would contradict the audiences' initial belief (e.g. using pans and zooms that mimic a real camera, by showing at the end - dimension of the hand, interaction with a real person or thing that the viewers can relate to), the audiences get confused and voluntary submit to the illusion.
if the above are achieved - I can say that the vfx can and will contribute to the success of the story.
Goodluck!
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by ronsapinoso Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:28 am
isa kang henyo, tony falcon. kaya walang nagco-comment sa kin fed up na sila sa kin...
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by v_wrangler Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:34 am
mana kasi ako kay panday.
hindi fed-up panday, di lang nila alam kung ano ang pupunahin.
trip ko yang avatar mo - gwapong gwapo.
hindi fed-up panday, di lang nila alam kung ano ang pupunahin.
trip ko yang avatar mo - gwapong gwapo.
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by ronsapinoso Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:02 pm
v_wrangler wrote:mana kasi ako kay panday.
hindi fed-up panday, di lang nila alam kung ano ang pupunahin.
trip ko yang avatar mo - gwapong gwapo.
pre di ko alam kung bakit lumalayo mga tao sa kin... i mean yung mga professional... yung mga may sinabi sa lipunan... high school pa lang ako ganyan na sila... bukod tangi sila o yung mga uri nila... kung hindi pa ko sumigaw ng todo... di sila lilingon... laging ganun... hehe... yung mga interview ko mga freak show lang yun... yun ang market value ko eh... pero ikaw kahit may narating ka...kahit kabilang ka na sa kanila... tinatao mo pa rin ako... tulad ng mga kaibigan kong maglulupa... salamat pre
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by jhames joe albert infante Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:10 pm
hehe EMO din pla kayo sir hehe... BC lang kc mga tao ngayun sir..ganun pa man, mangha ako sa gnwa nyo rito.. im trying to look onto the shadows.. and i think tlgang mahusay dahil walang marka ng extensyon ng kamay 
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by ronsapinoso Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:41 pm
jhames joe albert infante wrote:hehe EMO din pla kayo sir hehe... BC lang kc mga tao ngayun sir..ganun pa man, mangha ako sa gnwa nyo rito.. im trying to look onto the shadows.. and i think tlgang mahusay dahil walang marka ng extensyon ng kamay
EMO? hehe... siguro nga bro EMO ako... hehe.... pero ang kinuwento ko sa above ay tunay na pangyayari... sabi nga nung isang napakagandang pelikula na may pamagat na "little Miss Sunshine" ay ganito.... "THE WORLD IS A BIG BEAUTY PAGEANT..." AT NANINIWALA AKO DOON BASE SA KARANASAN... kaya nga nag invent ng sari-saring katawagan ang tao ukol sa mga grupo ng tao... NERD... beauty queens... crush ng bayan... gwapings... techey... jologs... sosyal... at marami pang iba... EMO nga siguro ako... at gusto kong manatiling ganito... kasi nadarama ko ang hapdi ng ibang nahihirapang tulad ko... ayokong humakbang nang nilalampasan ko na lang ang daing ng iba... kasi... sabi nga dun sa isang kanta ng mga katoliko.... WALANG SINO MAN ANG NABUBUHAY PARA SA SARILI LAMANG...
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by ronsapinoso Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:51 pm
kahit naiisin nya mahirap maging modelong komersial ang isang kuba...
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Re: VFX THE HAND
by ronsapinoso Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:54 pm
kahit magwala si harry potter... di nya kayang itambal si veverly salviejo kay jhon loyd cruz... at di papangarapin ni kris aquino na mapangasawa si april boy regino. kahit box office queen si ai ai de las alas di sya magiging querida ni bong revilla... malaki ang tsansang manalo si Noy NOy hindi dahil sa mahusay sya... kundi dahil sa mga artistasng sumusuporta sa kanya...
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