Help with laptop (Changed mind, Help with Desktop Instead)

Hello cgpinoy,




I am planning to buy a laptop pero hindi ko sure kung tama o maganda yung prospect ko. Bale ASUS N56VB yung plano kong bilhin. Ito po yung specs niya:


ASUS N56VB-S4013H | 15.6IN. (1920X1080), I7 3630QM, 8GB, 1TB, GT740 2GB, W8 64 PHP 49,995.00








Bale po sa site ng PC Corner ko siya nakita at dun ko siya planong bilhin kasi pwede nilang ideliver dito sa Baguio.








Ano po sa tingin niyo? Maganda bang laptop ito? Kung may mairerecommend kayo na mas maganda and same price range mas ok kung ganun. 








Thank you mga sir.  


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Good day ulit mga sir,


Nagpag isip-isip ko na mas magiging sulit kapag desktop nalang buoin ko, mas sulit sa specs at performance, salamat din sa mga comments. May na-research po ako sa ibang site (Link to site) na build na haswell bale ito po yung specs:


CPU: Intel i7-4770K 


MOBO: Gigabyte Z87MX (GA-Z87MX-D3H) 


COOLER:[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005O65JXI&linkCode=as2&tag=pcfoo-20
]Cooler Master Hyper 212EVO [/url]


RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB 


GPU: NVIDIA Quadro K600 1GB DDR3


HDD: WD Caviar Black 1 TB – WD1002FAEX 


CASE: Corsair Obsidian 350D 


PSU: Corsair TX650 650W 80+ Bronze 


DVD DRIVE: BUFFALO 8x USB  2.0 Portable DVD Writer


Bale yung total niya $1113 at pasok sa budget ko (Ewan ko kung magiging pareho presyo dito sa Pinas)


Bale sabi dun sa site Medium Overclockable pero ewan ko kung papasukin ko yung pag-ooverclock. Ano po masasabi niyo sa build na ito, kung hindi ko tutunguhin yung pag overclock ano po marerecommend niyong specs na haswell build? Kung may mas magandang specs bukod sa mga ito na pasok sa budget ano mai-sasuggest niyo na pamalit? Hindi po ako techy kaya patulong po sana.


Maraming salamat ulit.

Take my advice.

If you are planning on using it for 3d visuals, then don't buy one, go for desktop.

Tama si  sir torvics!! Yung ganyang halaga ng pera mo ay makakabili kana ng  Malupit na haswell core i7..

torvicz wrote:Take my advice.

If you are planning on using it for 3d visuals, then don't buy one, go for desktop.

theomatheus wrote:Tama si  sir torvics!! Yung ganyang halaga ng pera mo ay makakabili kana ng  Malupit na haswell core i7..

Thank you for the reply mga sir.

Plano ko po muna laptop sa ngayon for portability tapos ipon ulit for desktop.

Kung sakaling desktop sir, ano po kaya magandang build na may haswell core i7? Hindi po kasi ako techy kaya di ko alam yung mga piyesang ilalagay. Salamat ulit sir.

ako ang plano ko kasi beginner palang ako pag dating sa 3d design.

i bought a not so expensive laptop for practice. 

tapos pag medyo magaling na ako.. bibili ako ng malupit na desktop. 

Onix wrote:ako ang plano ko kasi beginner palang ako pag dating sa 3d design.

i bought a not so expensive laptop for practice. 

tapos pag medyo magaling na ako.. bibili ako ng malupit na desktop. 

Mas advisable nga sa beginner na mag desktop.
Imagine, frustrated ka na sa pag 3d mabagal pa ang gamit mong laptop.


It's better to buy a cheap desktop but with a decent specs than to buy an expensive laptop with a bundle of headache.

Yung dual core ko gang ngayon nagagamit ko pa, 6 years na sakin  yun, gang ngayon kumikita pa rin sa sideline.
Palaging nakasaklolo kapag di na kinakaya ng laptop kong core i-7. 

Experience is the best teacher.

tama si sir torvicz, di mo kasi ma upgrade kapag laptop...memory lang pwede upgrade halos wala namang effect... i7 na rin sa akin, 2GB video RAM.. kapag gusto mong magexperiment ng ibang settings hassle kapag laptop gamit..di kaya i-render ang gusto mong malupet na settings... pero kung sa desktop pwede mo palitang mga parts para gumanda performance... 

Lalo na ngayon halos animation na ang bagong lumalabas na post dito sa CGP like lumion... kaya ng laptop ciguro yon, kaya lang di kasing bilis ng desktop...

torvicz wrote:

Onix wrote:ako ang plano ko kasi beginner palang ako pag dating sa 3d design.

i bought a not so expensive laptop for practice. 

tapos pag medyo magaling na ako.. bibili ako ng malupit na desktop. 

Mas advisable nga sa beginner na mag desktop.
Imagine, frustrated ka na sa pag 3d mabagal pa ang gamit mong laptop.


It's better to buy a cheap desktop but with a decent specs than to buy an expensive laptop with a bundle of headache.

Yung dual core ko gang ngayon nagagamit ko pa, 6 years na sakin  yun, gang ngayon kumikita pa rin sa sideline.
Palaging nakasaklolo kapag di na kinakaya ng laptop kong core i-7. 

Experience is the best teacher.

May point kayo dun Sir Torvics mas ok ang desktop kasi mas tipid.

Sa case ko kasi mahirap mag-aral sa bahay kasi madaming temptations at distractions (Facebook, internet, tv, movies at mga kapatid.. hehehe) kaya laptop ang preferred ko para magamit ko sa labas at mas maka-focus ako.

Updated. 

sir suggest ko lang under 50k

4770 - (non k version wag ka na mag OC) - 13900
Asrock h87 m pro 4 - 4520
ram - 16 gb ares ram - 6830
ssd - crucial m4 128 gig - 6800
psu - corsair tx 650 watts - 4700
gpu - (low end na quadro yan)  gtx 650 2gb - 7000
case - any atx case na worth 2k ( yung pang expensive case mo dagdag mo na lang sa gpu or memory mas magagamit mo yan kesa sa fancy case)
cpu cooler - CoolerMaster Seidon 120m - 3k
Dvd - 1.2k

almost 45k lang.. pwede ka pang mag upgrade ng gpu to 660ti or wag ka na mag ssd  typical 7200 na hdd na lang para pwede ka mag gtx 760 2gb..
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yung magagastos mo sa expensive mobo and case dagdag mo na lang sa memory and gpu mas mararamdaman mo pa yung performance.. yung 4770 ko naka asrock h87 lang... as long as maganda psu, and cpu cooler mo swak na yan.. kung mag Overclock ka dun ka na lang mag hi end na mobo..

crayzard wrote:sir suggest ko lang under 50k

4770 - (non k version wag ka na mag OC) - 13900
Asrock h87 m pro 4 - 4520
ram - 16 gb ares ram - 6830
ssd - crucial m4 128 gig - 6800
psu - corsair tx 650 watts - 4700
gpu - (low end na quadro yan)  gtx 650 2gb - 7000
case - any atx case na worth 2k ( yung pang expensive case mo dagdag mo na lang sa gpu or memory mas magagamit mo yan kesa sa fancy case)
cpu cooler - CoolerMaster Seidon 120m - 3k
Dvd - 1.2k

almost 45k lang.. pwede ka pang mag upgrade ng gpu to 660ti or wag ka na mag ssd  typical 7200 na hdd na lang para pwede ka mag gtx 760 2gb..
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yung magagastos mo sa expensive mobo and case dagdag mo na lang sa memory and gpu mas mararamdaman mo pa yung performance.. yung 4770 ko naka asrock h87 lang... as long as maganda psu, and cpu cooler mo swak na yan.. kung mag Overclock ka dun ka na lang mag hi end na mobo..

Thank you sa reply sir, yung ssd wala naman effect sa rendering speed diba? I switch ko nalang yun siguro sa gtx 760 2g, kasi gusto ko rin itry yung lumion for animation.

jinxson008 wrote:yung ssd wala naman effect sa rendering speed diba? I switch ko nalang yun siguro sa gtx 760 2g, kasi gusto ko rin itry yung lumion for animation.

Depends on what you do in 3d. Kung mga projects mo laging gumagamit ng following components like mga pointcache, large 4-8k textures, proxies, may difference ang ssd as this will affect rendering time pag hinila from hdd to ram.
If not so heavy user ng ganyan components ang effect ng ssd for most users is faster boot  time, faster launching of applications. If you can afford it go for it.

learn3d wrote:

jinxson008 wrote:yung ssd wala naman effect sa rendering speed diba? I switch ko nalang yun siguro sa gtx 760 2g, kasi gusto ko rin itry yung lumion for animation.

Depends on what you do in 3d. Kung mga projects mo laging gumagamit ng following components like mga pointcache, large 4-8k textures, proxies, may difference ang ssd as this will affect rendering time pag hinila from hdd to ram.
If not so heavy user ng ganyan components ang effect ng ssd for most users is faster boot  time, faster launching of applications. If you can afford it go for it.

Thank you sa reply sir, i-reserve ko nalang yung ssd for upgrade. Bago palang po ako sa 3d at hindi pa ako gumagamit ng malalaking reso ng textures, yung proxy mostly sa trees and cars ko siya ginagamit.

ayos na ayos ang specs mo for 3d visualization sir, but yun cpu mo kung hindi ka mag ooverclock idowngrade mo na lang sa
4770 non-k version, kasi yun 4770k is unlock for overclocking, the 4770 is lock to default speed. mas mapapamura mo pa ang price kung 4770 lang. and yun gpu mo is quadro k600 low end na quadro lang yun, kung low end quadro better buy a midrange nvidia gtx or amd radeon videocards, kase ang quadro is not for gaming, its intended for 3D visalization, and since low end lang yun quadro na kaya mo sa budget, better switch to midrange gaming cards, same performance rin naman yun and same price, the advantage is the midrange gtx or radeon can do both 3D and gaming, quadros are bad in gaming specially the low ends, yun midrange to high end quadros ang talagang ramdam mo ang performace sa 3D, kayang kaya nya kahit mabibigat na 3D models, but the low end just performs normal like a midrange gaming cards, atleast sa mid range gaming cards pwede ka rin mag games if you like, we never know db, ako i am busy sa 3D kase madaming sideline and akala ko wala nang time to play but minsan pag napapagod naisisingit sandale pampatanggal ng stress hehe, its always better to have a multitask machine:thumbs:

Tama si Oby20 over rated masyado ang quadro unless hindi pinaguusapan ang budget, mas maigi parin mag gtx same performance highend pa tulad ng gtx 650.

Pero walang bumanggit dito tungkol sa AMD fx-8350 4.0 ghz 8 core processor? Mura na same rendering speed parin sa i7 4770 or little less depende pa rin sa RAM and GPU

see cinibench score -  dito tinitest kung gaano ka lakas ang maschine mo.( http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/Benchmarks/cinebench.html ).

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?287414-Cinebench-R15-AMD-results-new-fun-for-next-months/page3

 fx990 motherboard na gigabyte or msi kung kaya di mag asus brand.

sigurado ako pag AMD ang pinili mo , madadagdagan ang ram into 32gig at SSD ang primary hardrive mo para superbilis ang loading ng pagefile.

From my experience a lowend quadro card will beat a mid range card. Side by side comparison ginawa namin sa office with the lowest quadro card against a mid range gaming card gt560ti which is a fermi based card so masmalakas ito sa gt6xx series.
Particle tests, mesh deformation, high poly models, mas mataas ang fps ng quadro measured by fraps, etc.
You have to remember that gaming cards have their features locked so they don't compete with workstation cards in performance in the same price range. Ang drivers ng quadro ang big factor sa performance compared to gaming cards.
Before it was possible to flash your gaming card to unlock these features pero ngayong medyo mahirap na so I wouldn't risk unlocking your gaming card to perform as good as a quadro card.

Ok sana amd mura ang cpu and board kaya lang talo ka talaga sa kuryente dito lalo na if you're building a render farm. This could translate to 500pesos per pc rig in your bill each month pag nag render ka everyday. Mahal kasi kuryente sa pinas compared to other countries.

Benchmark
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-8.html

Power consumption
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-16.html

My home system is a modest I7 3770 with gt 640 card with one sata hdd. Ang idle ko is 66watts and on full load its 105watts. Measured by omni watt checker. So I based my render farm with intel cpus.

learn3d wrote:Ok sana amd mura ang cpu and board kaya lang talo ka talaga sa kuryente dito lalo na if you're building a render farm. This could translate to 500pesos per pc rig in your bill each month pag nag render ka everyday. Mahal kasi kuryente sa pinas compared to other countries.

Benchmark
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-8.html

Power consumption
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-16.html

My home system is a modest I7 3770 with gt 640 card with one sata hdd. Ang idle ko is 66watts and on full load its 105watts. Measured by omni watt checker. So I based my render farm with intel cpus.

Thank you sa reply na ito sir, napaisip ako sa reply ni sir i3dness at balak ko sanang mag amd kasi mura pero kung mapapagastos naman ako sa kuryente ay di ko nalang yun pipiliin.